Character Creation Cast

ReCast - Series 19.3 - InSpectres with Chris Foster

Episode Summary

For this special Character Creation ReCast episode, we’re highlighting the third part of our small games series, where Amelia and Ryan were joined by Chris Foster of the Play/Test podcast to talk about InSpectres, a game about a ghost hunting start up. This episode stands well on its own, too, with creation and discussion fit into a single episode!

Episode Notes

For this special Character Creation ReCast episode, we’re highlighting the third part of our small games series, where Amelia and Ryan were joined by Chris Foster of the Play/Test podcast to talk about InSpectres, a game about a ghost hunting start up. This episode stands well on its own, too, with creation and discussion fit into a single episode!

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00:00:00 - Announcements

00:03:07 - Introductions

00:06:20 - What’s in a game?

00:09:48 - Let’s make some people!

00:11:46 - Naming the characters

00:13:31 - John Longfellow 

00:14:12 - Ainsley Wright

00:14:54 - Jackie Smith

00:15:23 - Assigning skill dice 

00:18:20 - Picking a talent 

00:21:52 - Let’s make a franchise!

00:22:23 - How big is the franchise?

00:24:23 - Main office or start-up?

00:25:03 - Where are you located?

00:26:39 - Who runs the show?

00:25:55 - Who funds this?

00:27:03 - Amenities 

00:29:43 - Gear

00:36:49 - Transportation

00:39:29 - Specialty

00:46:00 - Franchise dice 

00:48:41 - D20 for your thoughts

00:52:44 - Are characters fleshed out?

00:56:21 - Flaws?

00:57:45 - What does character creation tell us about the game? 

00:58:30 - Fan Fic Time!

01:02:31 - Plugs

01:03:28 - Episode Closer

01:04:54 - Show Blurbs

01:05:43 - Outtakes



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Episode Transcription

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Amelia Antrim  0:01  

Welcome to another recast episode of Character Creation Cast. All this month we are taking a little break in order to share some episodes from our past almost two years that we really enjoyed making and putting out there in the world. Last week we shared our discussion episode about Star crossed with Alex Roberts. This week we're sharing our inspectors episode, which was part of our series on smaller games.


Ryan Boelter  0:24  

Yeah, we we picked this episode because it is the most fun that we had creating characters and backstories. And the entire process from character creation to discussion is actually done right in a single episode. And so it works really well for this recast format. The game was small but almost big enough to warrant a series of its own. And we really liked the way everything turned out with this one.


Amelia Antrim  0:49  

We are also still in the process of trying to commission art of these characters for a T shirt too. So if anyone knows of a great artist who's looking for that kind of work, please let us know we really, really want to do This, we are just having trouble deciding what kind of style and where to even start with that. So we'll have suggestions. Honestly, we would love to hear them because we this is the thing that we really, really want to do.


Ryan Boelter  1:11  

Absolutely. And speaking of hearing from you, we would also love to hear from you about what you think about this format and about our show overall. You can leave a review on iTunes, Stitcher or pod chaser, like this review that we got from BYU horn from the United States of America on iTunes, titled creating characters and community. C three is one of my favorite podcasts to listen to. They have such a diverse number of guests, and it makes you feel like you're one of the team. I learned something every time I listened in and I always walk away wanting to try out the system they are reviewing. Beyond that I enjoyed listening to Amelia and Ryan. They are so knowledgeable and keep the content lively and interesting, keep it up everyone. Thank you so much.


Amelia Antrim  2:05  

Thank you.


Amelia Antrim  2:07  

We will keep it up.


Ryan Boelter  2:09  

Yes, our wonderful knowledge that is in no way like anything to do with our editing.


Amelia Antrim  2:17  

Don't tell them the secrets man. We don't edit and I don't know what you're talking about.


Ryan Boelter  2:23  

I don't know what you're talking about.


Amelia Antrim  2:26  

Well, with all of that out of the way, please enjoy the episode. Again.


Ryan Boelter  2:30  

Again water for the first time. Either way, either way.


Amelia Antrim  3:06  

Welcome to Character Creation Cast, a show where we discuss and create characters, the best part of role playing games with guests using their favorite systems. I'm one of your hosts Amelia, and today my co host Ryan and I welcome back. I'm Chris Foster, host of the play test podcast for a special series of episodes covering smaller games. This week we are talking about inspectors a game about modern ghost hunters and startup culture.


Ryan Boelter  3:29  

Chris we are super excited that you are still


Chris Foster  3:32  

here. Bruce has been here for 45 years


Amelia Antrim  3:37  

no we're hunting Chris goes


Chris Foster  3:40  

oh, they're easy to find. They make a lot of noise and stumble.


Amelia Antrim  3:46  

Chris ghost Why don't you introduce yourself and remind listeners where they can find you and what you're up to? You back when you were alive.


Chris Foster  3:54  

Yeah, I'm alive again. We're good. Yeah.


Chris Foster  4:01  

Check me out. I have a podcast called play test where I make and test a game. At this point. You there are familiar voices at this point. I think everybody has caught on to my very subtle hint but it's YouTube. Also, I have a game a lot of games, but a game specifically that you can give me money for called Domini on play And any money I get for that is going to go back into it to make a proper game book and hire non binary and female bisexual people to write scenarios and stuff for it. So that's very cool.


Amelia Antrim  4:38  

That's right. I'm still there several weeks later. excited about this game maybe but hopefully I will have gotten to try it.


Chris Foster  4:45  

Hopefully by now I will have wrangled you in to actually play we


Amelia Antrim  4:49  

really want to I want to be a


Chris Foster  4:52  

disaster bisexual how many you are


Amelia Antrim  5:03  

or not, I mean, I do want to be like, I'm slightly proud that like somebody would consider me the disaster part of just like I don't know what makes you a disaster bisexual.


Chris Foster  5:14  

I mean, I don't know. I think just having too many emotions. Okay. Yeah being a bit messy, which Yeah. I think I think the the fun part of this is is Yeah, we can be disaster bisexuals all day long, but we actually have to have self control, whereas Julie dagny dominate does not have to. So that's the power. That's the fantasy there.


Amelia Antrim  5:37  

That's Yeah, I'm all about


Chris Foster  5:38  

you but had no filter.


Amelia Antrim  5:42  

Ryan let me swear on this podcast. Ryan let us swear.


Unknown Speaker  5:50  



Chris Foster  5:51  

dang. logistical


Unknown Speaker  5:54  



Ryan Boelter  5:57  

I don't want to fork it up.


Chris Foster  6:01  

Okay, I'd like to actually give a shirt. Yes.


Ryan Boelter  6:07  

Oh Gosh darn it.


Amelia Antrim  6:08  

Well, our whatever.


Ryan Boelter  6:12  

Well, let's go ahead then and get right into this and we will start discussing what this game is all about what's in a game?


Amelia Antrim  6:19  

All right. Question number one. What do we need to play this game?


Chris Foster  6:23  

So you got the book, right? Other than that, you just need the sixes. I think the most you'll need is four. I know because you could have a higher cool than that if you're playing a weird character. But, but somebody six is a handful, like a number of D sixes.


Ryan Boelter  6:38  

More than more than two.


Chris Foster  6:40  

More than two, probably less than 10. Yeah, yeah. Not 15. Yeah,


Ryan Boelter  6:46  

less than 50 more than two, somewhere in there, you'll be fine.


Amelia Antrim  6:51  

So between


Unknown Speaker  6:52  

402 somewhere


Unknown Speaker  6:58  

just like one or 12


Chris Foster  7:00  

Yeah, exactly, let's say five just to get


Amelia Antrim  7:08  

this. Oh,


Ryan Boelter  7:09  

okay. All right. So what do characters do in this game?


Chris Foster  7:15  

ghosties actually, you could hunt a lot of things you could have cryptids but generally supernatural things. Okay. Very cool.


Amelia Antrim  7:24  

So this specifically like own the business that does that


Chris Foster  7:27  

you want a bit you're running a business, and you're part of a documentary, which is very important.


Ryan Boelter  7:33  

Oh, interesting.


Chris Foster  7:34  

Because they are confessional. So you can go and look at the camera. Ah,


Ryan Boelter  7:39  

so it's just like, like Ghostbusters. The the reality TV show?


Amelia Antrim  7:43  

Yeah, it's like Ghost Hunters or like, yeah, like any kind of paranormal investigator.


Chris Foster  7:48  

It does have. Like, the setting is very much like our world except they say that, like ghosts are an established fact of the world rather than like, people people do. You don't not believe in ghosts. They're there. They're a nuisance, okay, and so so we're basically the exterminators of this world where ghosts are actual


Ryan Boelter  8:07  

problems. That's amazing. Mm hmm.


Amelia Antrim  8:11  

This is another game where we kind of create the setting along with the characters and a few other things. So what kind of stuff do we get to establish in the process?


Chris Foster  8:20  

So I think a big thing is you to establish like what you're hunting. And by that you like, what kind of supernatural things are in the world. And then you also get to stablish your specific franchise because the idea is inspectors as a larger company, like McDonald's when you have one franchise of it. So you don't get to just to say things about like the world so much as you get to say things about your franchise and what it looked like. And how you hunt these supernatural weirdos.


Amelia Antrim  8:49  

Yeah, that's very cool. I'm very excited about this. Yeah.


Ryan Boelter  8:52  

I'm really excited. That's awesome. So before we dive into that, are there any basic terms or concepts that we need to know before we go? into the character creation process.


Chris Foster  9:02  

I think the only thing that's going to be a sticking point is franchise dice. Which are the things you so you're going to start off with some franchise dice that you get to put into other cards to give you money and stuff, okay to bonuses for later, but they're also the thing you earn over the course of your job. And there's like, it's also like the limiter. Like when you get to this mini franchise dies, you have solved the problem.


Ryan Boelter  9:24  

Oh, interesting. Okay.


Chris Foster  9:26  

And then and then the next time you play well actually, you'll have to spend some of those to not be so stressed out and go on vacation and stuff. But you'll spend those again next session. If you had a one to two put back into your library, gym and credit card. Oh, cool. I think


Ryan Boelter  9:42  

I think that's the only weird term, shall we shall we make some people?


Unknown Speaker  9:46  

Let's make some people. Let's make some people. Let's let's make a franchise. Let's capitalize is


Ryan Boelter  9:55  

two games about capitalism.


Chris Foster  9:58  

It's what we love. All three of


Amelia Antrim  10:00  

Did we learn that? Yeah, I mean, we love hashtag brands.


Ryan Boelter  10:03  

And that's again.


Amelia Antrim  10:07  

Now we can't make a joke anymore. No. Okay, so let's jump right into this. Let's start with our characters. The book says first to come up with a name and personality for your character. So what do we have in mind here?


Chris Foster  10:25  

So, I'm going to be playing a character named john Longfellow. They do say that the game is more interesting, the more normal your characters are, because they're normal characters being put in weird situations. However, like, it's not a hard and fast rule, but the more if you make them weird, you need to like tie them to more mundane things to like. The first thing actually, the first thing we might want to discuss is there's an option for one player to play an actual supernatural character. And as the guest I think I get for say on that one, and I say I don't Want to because there's someone in here who has the actual name, which in their Twitter handle? You might want it more than me.


Amelia Antrim  11:05  

I actually don't I really want to like play just a regular normal.


Chris Foster  11:09  

Yeah, me too.


Ryan Boelter  11:11  

I'll take that supernatural.


Chris Foster  11:12  

You'll have two options there. Okay.


Unknown Speaker  11:17  

Great. So you're going to create your kicker, the weirdo?


Ryan Boelter  11:19  

Yeah, I'm the blog age. Oh,


Chris Foster  11:23  

some brand confusion here. I don't know what to do. I'm scared.


Amelia Antrim  11:29  

I'm gonna see where this goes. I'll decide whether I want to murder you later.


Chris Foster  11:34  

Okay, so in that case, let me go ahead. And so you're gonna need a page 36 a lot. Because that's where the weird character stuff is.


Amelia Antrim  11:42  

I you gotta slow us down, Ryan.


Ryan Boelter  11:44  

I'm sorry.


Chris Foster  11:46  

So the important thing here, and we've got to come up with a basic personality but whenever it's not on the sheet, so I'm gonna become a bat and say, do you have a name for your characters?


Amelia Antrim  11:57  

Well, the first name I pointed to was Amy. Sleep. So that's fine.


Ryan Boelter  12:04  

Came to think of like, like, evil. Plug me You don't have to be easy. How about the


Chris Foster  12:13  

age names like vampire werewolf ghost? zombie? Oh, psychic sorcerer, demon, supernatural hero like Buffy pages that list on? They started 36


Chris Foster  12:27  

Wait, no they don't they start at 39


Chris Foster  12:32  

you can also just make up your own these are just like templates. Okay. Okay. The important thing is you get to assign points differently than us. Mm hmm. And then you get to instead of getting a special talent you have a weird ability.


Ryan Boelter  12:47  

All right, I'm changing up my concept and I am taking that supernatural hero. Okay.


Chris Foster  12:55  

And what's what's the supernatural heroes name?


Ryan Boelter  12:58  

Oh, so this is like Buffy the Vampire Slayer type thing right?


Chris Foster  13:04  

Or, or you could just be at now that's that's more silly. Nevermind not doing that.


Ryan Boelter  13:10  

I'm gonna go with something ridiculous and a little funny. So Buffy has buff in her name. I'm gonna go with Jackie. cuz she's jack.


Chris Foster  13:23  

Okay. That's good. I like that.


Amelia Antrim  13:27  

Okay. Good to pick an occupation to did you pick an occupation?


Chris Foster  13:31  

For a former occupation? Yeah. So john Longfellow is a retired Chippendales dancer?


Amelia Antrim  13:37  

Oh, yes. That's so good.


Chris Foster  13:41  

Which means he's like 35


Chris Foster  13:46  

he just got to the point where like, he had like, when he was younger, he could just you know, hit the gym a couple hours a day and to be fine,


Amelia Antrim  13:53  

but like mostly eat whatever he wanted,


Chris Foster  13:55  

but still mostly be fine now. Now he's gotten the point where he can't eat anything fun. He He's at the gym constantly trying to maintain this Chippendales dancer body and he's just like, there's gotta be a better way. goes.


Amelia Antrim  14:09  

Yes, yes. My character is aynsley right former publicist for for a horror novelist.


Chris Foster  14:22  

Nice. A little bit of synergy there like Yes, I'm aware. Also what's a horror novelist like in a world where all these ghosts and stuff are just real?


Amelia Antrim  14:35  

Well, that's the thing is that like, it's really actually pretty boring.


Chris Foster  14:39  

takes a lot of


Ryan Boelter  14:41  

like a slice of life.


Chris Foster  14:42  



Amelia Antrim  14:45  

It's just really like everything's just really exaggerated and it's like really tired of hyperbole.


Chris Foster  14:53  

What's Jackie's former profession,


Ryan Boelter  14:56  

so Jackie Smith used to be a librarian awesome until she came upon a very significant book was turned her into Jackie Smith, the supernatural hero,


Chris Foster  15:10  

the book of the unknowable


Ryan Boelter  15:15  

it's all connected the unknowable book a chance while she was even her lucky terms. Perfect.


Chris Foster  15:23  

So this point we have to pick we had to sign our nine skill dice, Amelia you and I can't have anything above four and can't have anything lower than a one. And we can't put points in cool. Ryan, Jackie can check he has 10 days to assign. And you can put points in cool and you don't have a minimax minimax. You could have zero in something if you want.


Amelia Antrim  15:46  

And that's academics, athletics, technology and contact right right.


Chris Foster  15:49  

And the important thing to remember all of them are pretty much what they say I'm 10 x technology is also what you use to get technology. So if you're trying to buy technology and self interest, so all of your equipment is going to roll off the technology.


Ryan Boelter  16:00  

So my supernatural hero archetype I guess you could call it has some suggestions for the skills, but I don't have to go with those. Right? Right. That doesn't make sense though. What good do academics zero?


Chris Foster  16:18  

You the library and you can't read?


Ryan Boelter  16:23  

I'm good at putting books back where they're supposed to go. But that's about it. I think I'll do that so I can put my cool up the three.


Amelia Antrim  16:32  

Wait, you're making a stupid librarian? Yep.


Ryan Boelter  16:35  

Cool. Apparently not okay. I'm gonna make technology in a library. Zero for tech and then one for academics.


Amelia Antrim  16:44  

Oh, boy. a hard time in this game.


Ryan Boelter  16:46  

Head. Oh, this is like totally and not me character. Aside from any like, you know, being a supernatural hero sort of thing. I'm totally


Chris Foster  16:56  

I I generally surprising no one do Not play beefcake


Chris Foster  17:03  

which is all this is all john Longfellow is


Ryan Boelter  17:08  

right Jackie Smith has, has stats or skills. JOHN also


Chris Foster  17:13  

has skills.


Amelia Antrim  17:14  

So does aynsley I'm actually I made academics my lowest as well which is not me at all.


Chris Foster  17:20  

Oh, we're gonna have fun. Good. So john Longfellow has an academics of one and athletics of three, a technology of one and a contact of four.


Amelia Antrim  17:34  

So aynsley has an academics of one, athletics of to technology of three and contact of three.


Ryan Boelter  17:41  

Nice and Jackie Smith has an academics of one athletics so for technology have zero contact of two and cool of three.


Chris Foster  17:51  

So that means like stress, stress, like it anything of stress level three or lower. You don't even have to roll on. Oh, that's cool and If you hate there's a four or five stress which five is the highest five five is like everything bad has happened in this day, you would still only roll too stressed. Oh, nice. So you're very unaffected by a lot. That's amazing. Yeah. So we all have academics one we are done. So up next we have to pick a talent. And this is a our your weird ability if you have one. This is this is anything this this is. This could obviously tie into one like so if you had like, a extreme like a natural strength. That's obviously like athletics, right? But if you can find a way to apply it to technology contact or academics, like extreme physique being like, Oh, we need to figure out something about an exercise routine, you'd like Oh, I got you this. I've got that I got extreme physique, or whatever. So these are things that can apply to anything. But it will give you one additional die to whatever You're doing if you can tie it in. Oh weird Asians don't get to pick a talent. Yeah, you get a weird ability as


Ryan Boelter  19:05  



Chris Foster  19:08  

So we scroll down to the suggestions for you. It doesn't give you what


Chris Foster  19:17  

so like for the vampire one of the options is like you can turn into a bat


Chris Foster  19:23  



Chris Foster  19:26  

or mist


Chris Foster  19:29  

the the werewolf has like two different stat lines where they changed it to a werewolf. They have different stats.


Ryan Boelter  19:35  

Oh, interesting.


Chris Foster  19:38  

Oh, the ghost has to spin cool, nice to interact with the living world. So it doesn't I don't see one for yours though,


Amelia Antrim  19:45  

huh? I mean, I feel like yours would be something related to like, your dual personality sort of thing, you know, I mean,


Chris Foster  19:54  

or it could be like you can like roll athletics to get weapons instead of two. Technology.


Ryan Boelter  20:00  

I like that. I think that'd be a cool one. Like pulling weapons out of nowhere by doing cool acrobatics and stuff.


Chris Foster  20:08  

Yeah, we're just you have like a, an armory. Yeah. So do you have a talent in mind? I've got a so john is john is like a, like he's retired now. And he's he's, you know eating actual food and not working out constantly. So like he's not Chippendales level sculpted anymore. But he is still as his talent. uncomfortably attractive.


Chris Foster  20:41  

Not just Duchess attractive. He's just had a hard to look at.


Amelia Antrim  20:48  

So I wanted mine to just be it like, pop culture knowledge, like I know someone I know the trends I know. You know,


Chris Foster  20:56  

you just always on Twitter. Get me I do understand means is a superpower as a 31 year old.


Amelia Antrim  21:05  

Yeah, okay. It would be super great if I didn't have to like Google why hashtags are trending.


Chris Foster  21:10  

Yeah. Or, like a lot of the a lot of the things like, I'm just like, I'm just gonna mute this this is I don't understand it. Please take more effort to understand that it's worth.


Amelia Antrim  21:22  

But then I have to think through really hard how to remember to meet something on Twitter. Yeah.


Chris Foster  21:27  

So that's it. We've made our characters. That's it. That's it. Now we got to make a movie you can pick on the script sheet. There is a spot for date of birth and next of kin, but we don't worry about those.


Amelia Antrim  21:40  

I'm sure it's fine.


Ryan Boelter  21:41  

I'm sure I'm sure all my next of kin are dead. Cuz, you know,


Chris Foster  21:46  

yeah, it's not it's not safe being the next of kin of hero.


Chris Foster  21:52  

So now we're going to make our franchise


Chris Foster  21:56  

Yeah, this is the part. So this is this is the really fun part and and Something I especially like about any game where they give you a list of questions to answer as a group, because this is this is where it all the interesting things happen in my opinion, this is why we have a session zero for campaigns. This is the best the best part of any game is let's make some stuff up together. So the first question on the on the list is a list of them. I think I already said that. How? How big is your franchise? And how long have you been in operation? to what's interesting to us? We're all we're all real dumb.


Unknown Speaker  22:32  

It's true.


Chris Foster  22:33  

I can't imagine like we we've been like this place has been here long enough to be established. And then we took over. I think we probably just maxed out our credit cards to start the splits. Yeah, yeah,


Ryan Boelter  22:46  

I think so. But like, we're good at it right? Aside from like, academic stuff. We're we're good at beating down the way we play this game.


Amelia Antrim  22:56  

We thought we would be


Unknown Speaker  22:58  

so we thought we were good.


Ryan Boelter  23:00  

We're brand new then or


Chris Foster  23:01  

I think, I don't know if we're brand new, but I think being small would be a good idea. Like, okay, we've just rented a building.


Amelia Antrim  23:09  

Yeah, I think we're in like, a strip mall. Oh, I like strip mall. Yeah. And the stores on either side of us are like, still for rent like yeah, the businesses that were there are long gone. Like Rust Belt sort of area. There's just like not a lot going on here. I think


Chris Foster  23:29  

one side is vacant and the other side has been bought by the only big company in the strip mall to use for storage.


Amelia Antrim  23:37  

Or it's just like a vape shop. Oh god.


Unknown Speaker  23:41  

Oh, where's


Amelia Antrim  23:44  

where I live. Most of the strip malls have rape shops or Now the thing is like the CBD oil, like everywhere now.


Ryan Boelter  23:51  

Yep. Do they have ghost FAPE go spit. Yeah, so you can see some vapes and ghosts. cold cold air.


Chris Foster  24:06  

So, um, how long have we been in operation y'all?


Amelia Antrim  24:09  

I feel like it's a few months. Yeah, like we've taken like two jobs and they maybe went okay, and now we're like, yeah, we can do this.


Chris Foster  24:17  

We've got a year lease on this thing and we need to make it by this right. That's good. So next next bullet point here is are you the main office and established franchise or a startup?


Ryan Boelter  24:28  

Sounds like a startup?


Chris Foster  24:30  

We're a startup so we didn't franchise the inspectors name we're like we're gonna we're gonna dollar store this


Amelia Antrim  24:38  

year. I think we're like a really sad knockoff. Yeah.


Chris Foster  24:42  

In Ghostbusters.


Ryan Boelter  24:45  

Ghostbusters. Yeah. Oh my gosh.


Amelia Antrim  24:52  

We're just Ghost Hunters. Ghost Hunters ghost.


Chris Foster  24:57  

I think I think Jackie got the name. Yeah.


Chris Foster  25:03  

Where's your franchise located? So it's definitely a strip mall. Yeah, in the Rust Belt town. How many people work there? Is it just us three or Do we have anybody else?


Amelia Antrim  25:13  

Um, I think we have a high school kid that comes by in the afternoon. Yeah,


Chris Foster  25:17  

there are academic they do all our math. Yep.


Chris Foster  25:21  

I think they're doing like dual credit and we count as they count as an intern for Early College.


Amelia Antrim  25:27  

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah, they do all our budgeting. Yeah. Like it's for its for there's like small business course.


Chris Foster  25:34  

Yeah. I love that.


Chris Foster  25:38  

Who runs the show? a board of directors or us? Oh, it's us. Yeah, it's us. God we were in charge here. It i think it's it's coming It's a depends on the the moment which of us think we're in charge? Yeah,


Amelia Antrim  25:51  

for sure.


Chris Foster  25:54  

Do investors privately funded or did you all max out your credit cards


Amelia Antrim  25:58  

Um, I think Yeah, I think we've maxed out our credit cards. Yeah. And also like probably asked our moms to like,


Chris Foster  26:06  

I think I think john had a pretty substantial chip chip and Dale's like savings cuz he made a lot of money and he just cleared out his savings account.


Amelia Antrim  26:16  

Yeah. This


Chris Foster  26:19  

rider dies die. Yep. Yeah.


Amelia Antrim  26:20  

I'm Ryan does does Jackie maybe have like an inheritance from one of those dead family members? That was


Ryan Boelter  26:27  

Yeah, so I think she put all of her inheritance from over the years of fighting these things and these things fighting back.


Amelia Antrim  26:43  

All the money my mom left and she was killed by supernatural beings has been put into this company to kill supernaturally. It's pretty much true. Yeah,


Ryan Boelter  26:49  

I couldn't do it on my own because my family members kept dying. So I had to team up. Yeah.


Chris Foster  26:58  

Okay, so here's where it gets fun. rolling dice. What is your franchise look like? And what amenities does it feature? So we know it's the strip mall. Did we get it set up? Like is Does it look like an office in here? Does it look like? Like is there like a small I imagine there's like a small front area kind of like a dry cleaners. Like there's a small front area and then there's like a back area where we keep all our weapons and stuff. Yeah,


Amelia Antrim  27:22  

yeah. So I think that I would have insisted that the front area look really nice because I'm used to working as like a publicist and everything. So like, I think the front area like we've actually done a really nice job. Okay. It has like chairs and throw pillows and stuff.


Chris Foster  27:35  

Well, we have to find out. Okay, so you've established a fact. So you get to roll the technology roll.


Ryan Boelter  27:40  

Oh, Lucky you.


Amelia Antrim  27:45  

So much. Apologies. three,


Chris Foster  27:47  

zero 3d six and keep the highest one.


Ryan Boelter  27:49  

Hey, that's probably good. Can I zero?


Amelia Antrim  27:52  

Yeah, well, eventually you're gonna have to roll one of these because I don't think two people you like


Ryan Boelter  27:58  

right are you each have to roll so how do you How do you roll a roll? What do you have zero for? I don't know. I need to look that up.


Amelia Antrim  28:04  

I thought you couldn't have zero.


Chris Foster  28:05  

Yeah. weird weird agents can.


Amelia Antrim  28:08  

Okay, so can I say that my my pop culture knowledge applies to this? Can I say that? I know like, what the trends are and what?


Chris Foster  28:16  

That makes sense. Yeah.


Ryan Boelter  28:17  

Okay. You're the perfect person for this


Amelia Antrim  28:20  

means I get an extra day. Right? Right.


Amelia Antrim  28:27  

My highest is a five by


Chris Foster  28:29  

five is good. Describe the result and getting franchise so you get exactly what you said. It looks nice. You've got like trendy stuff up front. And we would get a franchise die.


Amelia Antrim  28:39  

Okay. Yeah. And so I think that like it looks pretty nice up front. I think the back is like, okay, it's functional. It's not like super hip and trendy.


Ryan Boelter  28:47  

Can we say that the building used to be like a fast food place. And like your back used to be the kitchen. Okay, and all that like that.


Unknown Speaker  28:56  

It'd be like a fast casual


Ryan Boelter  28:59  

or something. We still have the like the front counter where you used to order stuff and that's where our clients come to talk to us.


Chris Foster  29:07  

And I think in so we I think in the back like all of the a lot so I like the idea that like all of the the people who left just left all the kitchen equipment so there's like fryers and grill and stuff back there and that's the stuff we keep changing we keep like cannibalizing to make our equipment.


Amelia Antrim  29:27  



Chris Foster  29:29  

What's my technology role? So we I think we've got like functioning a functioning kitchen in the back until we started taking it apart. Right one


Unknown Speaker  29:41  

six pick Yeah.


Chris Foster  29:45  

So on the six is described the result and gain to franchise die, so I think it's all like, I think they went I think it was like a company wasn't here before us was like someone pleasing investors. So they they said All up with brand new equipment and stuff. And they took all the startup money and left. All this stuff in here is actually really nice. And if we if we had just started a restaurant, we would be set we do.


Ryan Boelter  30:14  

That's amazing.


Chris Foster  30:15  

So, what else do we think's going on here? Let's see what amenities as a feature do we get? Is there a place to live here? Um,


Amelia Antrim  30:24  

yeah. Like, this is, you know, like, this was a state of the art restaurant then like, this is it's a big space. And so like, we moved the front pretty far forward. So like the back has a lot of space because it was it was meant to be a restaurant, there probably was a seating area and stuff. But we like, made that into, like, our living working area. So it's not like nice living quarters, but it's, it's decent. Like you could spend a night here and be pretty comfortable. Yeah.


Ryan Boelter  30:55  

Good. I like that, like push a bunch of the booths together and and


Chris Foster  30:58  

it's made better suits like


Chris Foster  31:05  

not comfortable, but it'll do.


Ryan Boelter  31:06  

Well that's that's why you put like, like the mattress over between the booths. And then you can just sleep on the mattress itself. Yeah, there's a boxspring and stuff.


Chris Foster  31:16  

Yeah, it's very good.


Chris Foster  31:19  

And that means we like we have a booth that is a bed and then a booth at the table where we keep all my staff another booth is a bed and like to keep our stuff on our table. So next is are you the only inspectors excuse you? I the only inspect and go through goes punches franchise in the area. Are there any competitors? Uh, I think it would be great if there was an actual like the big company inspectors in town that challenge.


Amelia Antrim  31:47  



Chris Foster  31:49  

And they're actually good.


Amelia Antrim  31:50  

Yeah, they're across the street, but they have like their own building.


Chris Foster  31:53  

They have a standard like a mid level tower. Yeah,


Amelia Antrim  31:56  

right. Yeah. So we're like in the strip mall next to the vape shop.


Chris Foster  31:59  



Chris Foster  32:01  

out the front window you can see the giant glowing inspector sign at the top. Yeah. So we'll get to like we, the way we get customers as we stand near the infected thing, but like, Oh, you know, there's their fumigating in there. You got to go to this place.


Amelia Antrim  32:17  

We're way cheaper. So


Ryan Boelter  32:19  

super cheaper and will punch your ghosts. Well, they


Chris Foster  32:23  

they'll inspect them will. Oh, yeah, man take action.


Amelia Antrim  32:28  

They'll look into your situation, we will resolve the issue. Yeah.


Chris Foster  32:36  

So here's the here's the fun part. Again, what kind of gear Do you have access to and what do you use for transportation?


Ryan Boelter  32:42  

Well, we've got access to weapons. Right? We've established that. What kind of weapons though? Um, oh,


Amelia Antrim  32:49  

everything's got to be like Chrome, right? Because it's all made from kitchen stuff,


Ryan Boelter  32:53  

right. Oh, so we've got we've got chrome bladed weapons like sword And knives and stuff. But we've also kitchen


Chris Foster  33:04  

cutlery. Yeah,


Ryan Boelter  33:06  

yeah and kitchen cutlery.


Chris Foster  33:08  

Yeah okay so


Amelia Antrim  33:10  

we just chop our go sin Tupperware


Chris Foster  33:13  

so you establish this and this is a weapon see so since you your special thing is you use weapons for technology. I use athletics for a technology when you doing weapon Yes, going, so you need to roll to see how good our cutlery


Ryan Boelter  33:25  

I got four of those to say being a librarian probably doesn't help but that's okay.


Chris Foster  33:34  

That's that's not that you don't get a bonus for that.


Ryan Boelter  33:37  

Oh, yeah, that's right. Alright, so here we go. So we're looking at the highest dice, right?


Chris Foster  33:41  



Ryan Boelter  33:43  

That is a four


Chris Foster  33:45  

fours fair describe the mostly positive results of your action, but you also would have to include a negative or or humorous effect. So what's what's negative or humorous about our cutlery weapons?


Amelia Antrim  33:57  

I mean, they're just cutlery and sometimes You can't cut ghosts.


Chris Foster  34:04  

I think they're also like, a because they didn't like the people who were fleecing the investors didn't expect them to like, use them they're also like very cheap very cheap. Yeah. So like they made great


Amelia Antrim  34:17  

cheap knives but like we've coded them in like a ghost resistant materials like yeah and like actually do something they actually don't work at all is knives.


Unknown Speaker  34:25  



Amelia Antrim  34:27  

They're only good for cutting goes yeah, they're not


Chris Foster  34:30  

good for cutting anything else. Even though some of them like to look pointy if you try to stab them with it. It just does not


Amelia Antrim  34:37  

there so dog and whatever we put on them to cut the ghost actually made that made them more adult.


Unknown Speaker  34:43  



Chris Foster  34:45  

But also look Chrome, right there. Very impressive. Do not stab people with them. Because you can't No, I think I'm gonna go ahead and roll for like, I want a there's a it's like it's like a flame thrower like it's got a backpack thing and Little like to pose but instead instead of flames it it's just a fryer bat and it sprays hot


Unknown Speaker  35:08  

oil Oh no.


Amelia Antrim  35:10  

such a mess.


Chris Foster  35:11  

I've only got a one die in technology. I'm trying to decide how being uncomfortably attractive.


Amelia Antrim  35:20  

Well, you you would end up covered in oil too. Oh, here


Unknown Speaker  35:23  

we go.


Chris Foster  35:26  

I think what happened


Chris Foster  35:29  

I think the way it happens is our intern who is very actually very smart and competent, came in after I had failed to build this thing once and was just covered, glistening in oil. And they were so flustered that they agreed to help me for free. That's amazing. Yeah,


Amelia Antrim  35:44  

I will gladly stay extra hours to help you.


Chris Foster  35:48  

It's fine. I just it's I've gotta be topless though. Cuz it's all greasy and stuff. I just got


Amelia Antrim  35:55  

my shirt off.


Chris Foster  35:58  

So that's two three, so I didn't help me. So Not great the GM determines your fate but you may be given a chance it's just a single positive Elliot minor effect. So who Which one of you want to tell me how bad my


Chris Foster  36:09  

grease flame through?


Ryan Boelter  36:11  

It burns your back if he


Chris Foster  36:16  

has no insulation? no insulation to it. Yeah, I like so yeah, it's


Amelia Antrim  36:23  

like the negative is just this was a terrible idea no matter how good it is it's still bad.


Chris Foster  36:31  

So it works. Every time it does every time he uses it he makes the same joke of his


Amelia Antrim  36:40  

one of the situations where the final product is only as good as the original idea was not very good.


Chris Foster  36:48  

So I think that that leaves us to Amelia What do you think our method of transportation is? Oh, what do you want? What do you want?


Amelia Antrim  37:00  

Have a favorite Uber driver. So we're going to find out how much this driver likes awesome. Yeah.


Unknown Speaker  37:11  

Oh my god.


Chris Foster  37:18  

Yeah, I love this game. This is the game that I've used the most for for vetting new players.


Amelia Antrim  37:26  

So three


Chris Foster  37:29  

so not great the GM determines decide your fate, but you may be given a chance to suggest a single positive. So I think unless someone has a


Amelia Antrim  37:36  

reward Fiesta


Chris Foster  37:39  

say i think i think they do have access to a nice car, but it's like it's their mom's car. And when their mom is using their car, they have to use their car, which is like a fiesta or Gremlin or something. where like, bit has a backseat but we are definitely like in each other's laps.


Amelia Antrim  38:00  

It's really hard to fit the flame thrower in the trunk. Yeah, what trunk radio doesn't work the air conditioner doesn't work.


Chris Foster  38:07  

The radio doesn't work but he still has a boombox back the big subwoofer in the trunk. Yeah takes up all the space. Oh god. You never know if you're going to get like his mom's escalate or his.


Amelia Antrim  38:20  

Yeah. What is that? What is his name? I'm Tyler, Tyler


Chris Foster  38:27  

and Tyler. The reason Tyler keeps agreeing to be our main Uber driver is Tyler has a crush on our intern.


Amelia Antrim  38:35  



Ryan Boelter  38:38  

Oh, that's perfect. Do we have a name for intern


Chris Foster  38:43  

name? Let's name them Alex.


Ryan Boelter  38:44  

Okay. All right. That sounds good.


Chris Foster  38:47  

Alex and Tyler are


Ryan Boelter  38:50  

very well friends. We have like a rom com like side story in the making. Yeah.


Chris Foster  38:56  

Whatever garbage we're doing is undercut by this like actually kind of cute like Coming of Age I'm


Amelia Antrim  39:02  

constantly trying to set them up right?


Chris Foster  39:04  

Oh definitely. We've definitely like try to do the whole blind date thing on them code books that we keep trying to get both of them to go to go somewhere so we can lock them in a scary room together.


Chris Foster  39:16  

beautiful, amazing for actually competent children that we keep.


Amelia Antrim  39:20  

for transportation. We're gonna write Tyler Tyler


Chris Foster  39:25  

Oh, is there any other equipment we want to set up? Actually I think we can cut we can circle back around to equipment as we go to do you have a specialty ghosts vampires, demons, cryptozoology, etc.


Amelia Antrim  39:37  

I think I want it to be ghosts.


Chris Foster  39:39  

Yeah, I think it's we've already got like the ghost kutty go Shanks. Yep.


Ryan Boelter  39:43  

And we're called the ghost hunters.


Chris Foster  39:45  

Hold on. Can we change it to go shakes? shakes,


Ryan Boelter  39:50  

shakes shakes from


Unknown Speaker  39:52  

Oh gosh,


Chris Foster  39:53  

Ghost shakes to go. Go Shanks to go. Wow.


Amelia Antrim  39:59  

But it's a two Right like yeah,


Chris Foster  40:02  

we're not amateurs.


Amelia Antrim  40:05  

But we are actually


Chris Foster  40:07  

Okay, so if our specialties ghosts, like what specific ghost hunting gear Do we have, aside from ectoplasmic coated crow nights? So we're talking about like, specifically ghost catching technology and you'd mentioned Tupperware so with this Tupperware like did we catch ghosts?


Amelia Antrim  40:25  

Oh yeah um it's kinda like a film on the inside that like the ghost kind of stick to like once we and then we just have to seal it shot like yeah right exactly you don't wanna you want to watch build up the ghost gases in there yeah so like you kind of just have to like take the lid and audio medium but you can all hear what I'm doing. Yes, you're like holding the container


Chris Foster  40:55  

real technology to see how good our tap away Oh my gosh, I like they were starting at a bad What


Amelia Antrim  41:04  

really effective or not? It's a five it's very effective goes Tupperware.


Chris Foster  41:11  

Yep, that's good. You've got you've got like, whatever. I think it's whatever it's like whatever polymer we coated our knives with. Right? Right. Yeah. And we just have like giant like, you know those like, tub storage bins like the plastic storage bins that we use for bigger ghosts.


Amelia Antrim  41:26  

Yeah, yeah, like big Rubbermaid tub. Yeah.


Ryan Boelter  41:30  

Good I like that line. We do like ghost net


Chris Foster  41:33  

launchers. NET lunches. Yeah. Yes.


Chris Foster  41:37  

It just like i'd Same deal. We've soaked it in this, Paul. Yeah, I think I think that's the deal is this polymer stuff that we keep using is is like an oil like a concentrated oil or something. Yeah.


Amelia Antrim  41:51  

It's like Yeah, but it's a specific like kind of fire oil and then do something to the but it has to be like stuff has to have been fried at first for


Ryan Boelter  41:59  

the whole leftover from when the place was abandoned that was why we


Chris Foster  42:05  

had like a limited amount of it it was what no


Amelia Antrim  42:07  

but that's the thing is like we can make more but we have to keep cooking so like we do have to use this kitchen Yeah, so like we we only can make like we can only pull apart so much with this kitchen because we do need at least the fries and the thing that


Ryan Boelter  42:19  

we have is blessed potatoes as


Chris Foster  42:24  

well that's that's much better than my idea because night is are we bad people who fry ghosts.


Chris Foster  42:31  

Oh, oh, you make anti ghost oil by frying go? No, no.


Amelia Antrim  42:39  

I mean,


Amelia Antrim  42:45  

I like it. I like the idea that took Gilmore Girls. Do you have a question? How did we get soil in the first place?


Unknown Speaker  42:55  

I think it's like vegetable oil.


Chris Foster  43:00  

Like within,


Amelia Antrim  43:01  

right but like we can't have caught ghost,


Unknown Speaker  43:03  



Ryan Boelter  43:04  

Until we know that what when this place was showing for whatever they they had to make some food in the kitchen you say that the kitchen is viable, right? Yeah. And the thing that they that they did was they they fried up some haunted fries on accident.


Amelia Antrim  43:26  

Yeah, it does happen that sometimes ghosts will haunt your potatoes.


Chris Foster  43:29  

Yeah. I like that a lot.


Amelia Antrim  43:31  

We specialize in haunted restaurants. Yeah. Like free food for life. Like we don't actually like ask them to pay for past just really why like free food for Yeah.


Chris Foster  43:42  

JOHN is like I have starved myself for 30 years. I put all the food


Chris Foster  43:49  

I'm Carbo load.


Chris Foster  43:53  

Oh yeah. freakin French rice. Oh man. I like that phrase. So you need a real for your your oil soap net launchers Oh sure. And I don't know if this counts as a weapon it's kind of a weapon to weapon Are we allowed this to be a weapon Amelia


Amelia Antrim  44:09  

I mean because otherwise he's rolling zero so it kind of


Chris Foster  44:11  

yeah which means he rolled one


Ryan Boelter  44:15  

net launcher weapons five


Chris Foster  44:20  

five so exactly what you want it so this is just like a normal net launch that we've soaked in ghost oil yep perfect oh my god so if you had something to capture them with and we've got something to hold them in once we captured them so I think we need something to find them with so i think i think there's like this like gum we can make oil like if we congeal this oil into a gun like we make it into a guns where if we're chewing it we can we can hear ghosts better we can like track


Amelia Antrim  44:54  

oh wow it tastes real bad.


Chris Foster  44:59  

It tastes real bad. Well let's see how bad it is. Okay, true. I can't think of a way being uncomfortably attractive is helpful


Ryan Boelter  45:07  

when you're comfortably attractive go somewhere go


Chris Foster  45:13  

bad the gym decide your fate and may suggest something suitably negative Oh no. So what's very very bad about this go


Amelia Antrim  45:22  

you can hear ghost but you can hear other things way laughs Oh I think possibly be permanent it might be


Chris Foster  45:37  

oh no fairly damaging or here it's not FDA tested. We're all gonna have tinnitus


Ryan Boelter  45:44  

tinnitus instead of that ringing you hear the whispers of the ghosts


Unknown Speaker  45:49  

Oh my god.


Chris Foster  45:55  

So I think that's it. Oh no we've got here's the last thing we got to do. We've got Five franchise dice. Since we're a small company, and we get to apply those to either our gym card, our library card, our credit card or leave them in the bank, the if you have them in a card, like if you have a gym, gym, dice and gym cards, you can take a dice from that to us in physical activities like athletics checks. If you have it in your credit card, you can use it for technology, you're buying stuff or contacts for bribing people. If you have it for the library card, you use it for academics roles and stuff to go to the library and check like our stock library. But if you live in the bank, you can use it for anything. But if you roll too low on a bank die, it just takes more money away from you. So you could you could lose money like by doing things from your bank is dangerous.


Ryan Boelter  46:48  

Gotcha. I would say we probably need to library cards at least you to have our dice in the library.


Chris Foster  46:55  

Yeah, cuz we're done. We're done. Wow.


Amelia Antrim  46:58  

So I also got three Like on my roles as we were rolling stuff up to


Chris Foster  47:04  

Oh, wait, what did you throw three on?


Amelia Antrim  47:06  

Well over time because I got three different roles that I had five on so like, don't you get a franchise dime?


Chris Foster  47:11  

Right? Okay. Yes. So it would be a five or six TV franchise.


Amelia Antrim  47:15  

Right so I had three over the course of all those roles I had. Okay.


Chris Foster  47:19  

Someone had a sick I had a sick. So yeah,


Chris Foster  47:22  

I think these go towards completing the mission rather than starting. Okay, gotcha. So we would already be like six tranches dive into completing I think I may have misread that. I don't know if you franchise eyes from the start at the beginning explanations.


Amelia Antrim  47:37  

Um, I mean, I think we should put most of them into a library card I think honestly. All of them all of them. Yeah, that's right. I mean, nobody has an academic number one Right.


Chris Foster  47:47  

Right. So I think I cuz you got it. You got it. Okay, technology and we both got okay. Contact and then me and Ryan both have Okay, athletic. Yeah. So like, we've got Those mostly covered. Yeah,


Amelia Antrim  48:02  

yeah, we need to put them all in library card.


Chris Foster  48:04  

So we spent Oh, you had some money left over after remodelling and all we spend it just entirely on books. Yes, we've got like these kind of crappy, like, beds that we've made out of boots and then we've got like, I fully like, wall of books. Yep.


Ryan Boelter  48:20  

Yeah. Perfect. That's amazing.


Chris Foster  48:23  

And that's it. We've made our franchise. Oh, that's very cool. All right,


Amelia Antrim  48:27  

go, go, go,


Unknown Speaker  48:29  



Chris Foster  48:32  

Go, we've changed the name for


Amelia Antrim  48:35  

sure we jump into our next segment as well. Okay. d 24, your thoughts? Your thoughts? So we're going to talk to you about your thoughts on this process. I'm not going to read this whole thing. We've done it.


Ryan Boelter  48:49  

So all right, yeah. How did creating our own world and tech change the process for us and how do we think it might affect the gameplay?


Chris Foster  48:58  

I think it's everything about they'd like affects the gameplay completely. Uh huh.


Amelia Antrim  49:01  

Yeah, I mean I think it completely flavored everything that we're going to do going forward because this game didn't give a whole lot of setting kind of stuff and we have completely developed what it looks like when we use our technology what that technology is like, who we are as people whether we are uncomfortably hot or not. Yeah, yeah likely we are to die from oil burn we know


Unknown Speaker  49:26  

at least one of us is gonna die.


Ryan Boelter  49:31  

We're gonna slice and dice and fries and ghosts. Yeah. So are you shooting this like ghost oil with your ghost oil backpack?


Chris Foster  49:42  

Yeah, yeah, it's like a flame thrower but for ghosts That's amazing. Oh my god. And it but it's still I can't stress this enough. extremely hot oil. And unlike our dumb knives, which have made made people hot oil so very effective to


Amelia Antrim  49:59  

me So we're just spraying down ghosts with the oilier means if they're dead go


Unknown Speaker  50:06  

we're not good people.


Amelia Antrim  50:08  

Look they should have thought about that before they done became ghosts. That's true.


Chris Foster  50:12  

They did a haunting they're doing the cross.


Amelia Antrim  50:16  

Yes, you do do a haunting you get the john


Unknown Speaker  50:25  

john as well.


Amelia Antrim  50:28  

Yeah, I'm excited with this trash fire this oily trash fire, no fire


Chris Foster  50:34  

and oil fires even harder to put out. So this is gonna be bad.


Amelia Antrim  50:37  

Yeah. So up the games that we've talked about in this series, this is the longest one and it has the most pages I think it's like 88 or something compared to three and 33 do we think this still counts as a small game?


Chris Foster  50:52  

I mean, then lbz answers No, this is the norm. This is a game that has like progression mechanics and stuff. Not very many. I think it's still Y'all might disagree, but I think it still counts for like, the flavor we're going for like it does all the things the other ones do to like you make your characters very fast. you collaborate on what's happening. And you get into the game very quickly. And you can do it in a we can do one shot, no problem.


Ryan Boelter  51:15  

Yeah. Right. Absolutely. And it's highly improv on what the story is going to be based on your selections at this at this stage.


Amelia Antrim  51:24  

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. I think that we, this is sort of like a philosophical game design discussion point. Generally, it's like, What counts is a small game, what is a full game? You know, I think that's a debate that's going to be ongoing in this community for I don't know, ever we like to debate things for ages. like to have hot topics. So I think that you're right in terms of the field that we were kind of going for, which really was, you know, character creation that is really quick and really open and that kind of thing. Not super mechanically driven this fulfilled that?


Chris Foster  52:04  

Yeah. And I'll say, like, after all this stuff after the 30 pages area is stuff that you don't like really need, like you've got your weird agents, you've got your continuation stuff. Like, it's not all. I like the part you need to actually play this game is the first 35 pages. Yeah, yeah. which is I think I think like tacking on supplemental stuff to make this a something if you wanted to play in different styles, I don't think that that changes the fact this is a small game. It has a small game philosophy and feel.


Ryan Boelter  52:41  

Absolutely, yeah, I would agree. So do we think the process in this game led to characters that felt flushed out? No, yeah, not really.


Amelia Antrim  52:53  

I don't think we know much about these people. I think we know kind of like what they're good at. We know what they're going to be doing. I don't think we really need know anything about these people


Chris Foster  53:01  

this is this is another one where you learn more about your character as you play them because you can go into confessions for mechanical benefit, seeing new confessionals to establish facts and change things. And that's where you learn. Like there's a characteristics that we didn't do, which I don't, I don't, it would be very strange for us to do now, but you can go, you can go into the confessional and establish a characteristic about another thing. And then, actually, I don't even know if you get a bonus for that. It's just that if you then play to that, like if, if one of y'all get like, when's the confessional and said, Oh, john, you know, he's kind of, he's kind of a dummy. He's not very bright, or whatever. I could write down. I could write down not bright as a characteristic. And then if I play john has been not bright. We get additional franchise dice at the end of the game, two of them, I think. And so there's like ways to collaboratively make your character more fleshed out as you play again. But yeah, there's not the character creation gives you the bare minimum of what you need to actually do it and then you played you played it like we spent way more time I think I didn't look at the timer making our franchise. Oh definitely yeah


Unknown Speaker  54:10  

that's the fun part. It is the fun


Ryan Boelter  54:12  

part that I like the most I kind of forgot about the whole reality show aspect of it too. Yeah. Which which would make sense if we're kind of just okay at it. Yeah, but entertaining. They're like we gotta we gotta figure out a way to make money off of this let's put some cameras on this and and i'm sure that'll that'll work out fine.


Amelia Antrim  54:35  

Yeah and our legal department I way less caveats


Chris Foster  54:40  

with you right Yeah,


Amelia Antrim  54:43  

sure. Why not? It's it's great for publicity. Yeah, inspectors had all sorts of rules about like, where these people couldn't couldn't go and who they could follow and we're like, finish our comm follow us around.


Unknown Speaker  54:54  

Let's play some ghosts. Yeah, shake some oil. Huh?


Chris Foster  54:59  

Good. Let's get oil.


Ryan Boelter  55:00  

Yeah. Hey, that's


Amelia Antrim  55:06  

Yeah, we've got to do this uncomfortably hot I'm sure how


Chris Foster  55:08  

many episodes does that happen?


Amelia Antrim  55:11  

All of them. Why is john covered in oil and


Ryan Boelter  55:14  

gas like the producers pull you to the side?


Chris Foster  55:19  

Just throw some wine. Again.


Ryan Boelter  55:22  

Don't worry, this is just regular oil, not ghost oil. You're fine.


Amelia Antrim  55:27  

ratings were low last week we need to be a little more slippery.


Unknown Speaker  55:35  



Ryan Boelter  55:46  

like every time you get oily it shows up at the corner of the screen.


Chris Foster  55:50  

Yeah, they change they change the name like in the name of the bottom it usually says john slippery


Chris Foster  55:58  

the fans, the fans. is a different


Amelia Antrim  56:03  

separate wake up


Chris Foster  56:07  

we got john john is not a fan favorite slippery john how


Amelia Antrim  56:13  

he plays what what the target demographic?


Amelia Antrim  56:21  

What do I see as potential flaws in this process? I think this game is perfect. I think


Chris Foster  56:28  

again for what this game does


Ryan Boelter  56:30  

about punching ghosts


Chris Foster  56:31  

I think I'd also like it I know it's obviously like a million more pages than love and justice but I think it has to say it has like kind of the the ease of making your character that love of Justice has like you just pick a couple of numbers and then you and then a special thing like to like the the talent is the only and the mechanical thing you have a and it's open ended. You just write whatever you want there. So I think it's it's like it's really not much bar to do there, you go ahead you write down what you want to be good at. It gives you more of an idea because you have the four different stats rather than one number and then you roll under over. So it's just a tiny bit more complex to where you understand what you're doing a little more. And then, then you just go, which is what the game is supposed to do, right? So obviously, like there's they're cool things you can do with a more robust character creation system. But it doesn't require you to be good at improv. You just you can you can make up what you need and then find out the rest as you play.


Ryan Boelter  57:37  

Absolutely. Yeah, I don't I don't think there's any like blatant flaws for what this game is supposed to be so so I do think that going through the character creation process in this game gives us clues about what the gameplay is going to be like. Feels like


Chris Foster  57:53  

a Yes, because you literally make those roles. Yeah, those are the roles you make to establish your equipment are the roles you'll make the entire game. I said You also have to do stress roles and bankroll. Yeah, but which have their own little bars.


Ryan Boelter  58:06  

Yeah, I really like how they set it up so you actually get to play a little bit of the game as you're creating the franchise and whatnot.


Amelia Antrim  58:14  

Yeah, I agree. You've already gotten a good idea of like what's going to be going on and you've set the tone pretty easily. already given a few examples of of how things have gone, yeah. are going to go Speaking of which of how things have gone and are going to go fanfic time I really want to talk about this Alex and Tyler. Yeah, yeah. I spent a lot of my fanfic time on this.


Chris Foster  58:37  

I'll be honest, like we've we've established all we didn't know about us. We've got you know, the the publicist who is also our lawyer. We've got our actual stoic. I don't know how to say the phrase, bad.


Ryan Boelter  58:54  

I just


Chris Foster  58:55  

Tuffy Tuffy Puffy Combs, Jackie above fighter And then we've got our eye candy. Like we know what that story is. We're just all gonna annoy each other and be bad thing. What's really interesting is Alex and Tyler right, let's like, do they go to prom?


Amelia Antrim  59:13  

Right? So, I mean, do they go to school together? And like, Tyler does. Uber driving on like, nights and weekend was like how old you have to be to be an


Ryan Boelter  59:22  

18? I would imagine.


Chris Foster  59:24  

So what if? What if Tyler like graduated last year and Alex is graduating this year? They were in school together. Yeah. Alex is definitely going to college. Tyler's kind of a mess up.


Amelia Antrim  59:35  

Yeah, yeah. Well, I think I think Alex also probably is taking some like college course. Right to high school credit. Yeah.


Chris Foster  59:44  

So I think like they knew each other in school, but this is the first time we've actually interacted with each other. Right. And I think


Amelia Antrim  59:52  

and they've really bonded over having to deal with our in competence,


Chris Foster  59:55  

right? Just just saving our butts constantly.


Amelia Antrim  59:58  

Yeah, and most of confessionals on the show are really them talking about us. Yeah. Yeah. And maybe a little and then us talking about them. And I hope that they meet.


Chris Foster  1:00:11  

Like every professional is like, Did you see? Do you see the way? You see the way Alex looked at Tyler? Did you see it? I thought


Ryan Boelter  1:00:19  

there's something there.


Amelia Antrim  1:00:20  

There's something there. I definitely think that we need to keep Alex on for another semester, because I just think that like, we're getting really close to a breakthrough with Tyler. And I think that it's worth it's worth having an intern for another. Another little bit of time. I'm not so worried about the books like the books, we'll figure it out. But I need to see where this is going.


Chris Foster  1:00:40  

I know Alex was like, possessed by that succubus or whatever when she was when they were flirting with Tyler, but you know, I think there was something actually underneath all that. So I know what that looks like. I've been a dancer


Amelia Antrim  1:01:01  

I used to be a Chippendales dancer I've seen love before.


Ryan Boelter  1:01:28  

Good old slippery.


Amelia Antrim  1:01:31  

Slippery job.


Chris Foster  1:01:38  

tantamount question? Yes, they do go to prom and yes, it gets onto it and we have to save.


Amelia Antrim  1:01:42  

Yeah. Yes.


Ryan Boelter  1:01:48  

Our intern becomes our client.


Amelia Antrim  1:01:52  

Oh, I think Tyler becomes our client because Tyler needs to save Alex. Oh yeah, there you go cuz they are in danger. Yeah. Love that. Oh, so good.


Ryan Boelter  1:02:02  

That's amazing. We'll save that for


Chris Foster  1:02:07  

like the weird network. Netflix.


Amelia Antrim  1:02:13  

We have commercials, we don't have enough enough content


Unknown Speaker  1:02:18  

22 minutes.


Chris Foster  1:02:20  

And I think that's pushing it.


Ryan Boelter  1:02:23  

Like, whoa, we went for the half hour episodes and said the one hour.


Amelia Antrim  1:02:28  

Yeah, for sure. For sure. Chris, thank you so much for doing this with us for especially for sticking around for three different games. It was so much fun. Do you want to remind everybody where they can find you?


Chris Foster  1:02:42  

Yeah, I'm still I'm still at iolo or yellow. If you're not me. Um, I I really thought about not saying that joke again, because I even I'm getting tired of it, but you gotta commit sometimes, you know?


Amelia Antrim  1:02:54  

Third time's the charm. Yeah,


Chris Foster  1:02:56  

yeah, it's gonna be funny, right? Yeah.


Amelia Antrim  1:03:05  

Please clap


Chris Foster  1:03:08  

tell me I'm funny.


Chris Foster  1:03:12  

Yeah, I Twitter or stuff. I'm doing it play test out pub is my website. I had a lot of fun. Thank y'all so much.


Amelia Antrim  1:03:20  

This is so much fun. Thank you. And thank you to everyone for listening. We'll see you next week. Character Creation Cast is a production of the one shot Podcast Network, and can be found online at www dot Character Creation Cast calm. head to the website to get more information on our hosts and guests, or even find some of our character sheets. Character Creation Cast can be found on Twitter at Creation Cast. I'm one of your hosts Amelia antrum. And I can be found on twitter at ginger reckoning. Our other host Brian bolter can be found on twitter at Lord Neptune music This episode is used for the Creative Commons license, or with permission from the podcast that originated from. Further information can be found within the show. Our main theme music is hero remix, I Steve comes and is used for the creative commons license. This podcast is owned by us under Creative Commons episode was edited by Amelia antrum. Further information for the game system used and today's guests can also be found in the show notes. If you like the game systems discussed and wish to purchase them. Links to the products can be found in the show notes. Also check our notes or the website for cool stuff to go with each character like face or mixtapes. Thanks for joining us. And remember, we find that the best part of any role playing game is character creation. So go out there and create some amazing people. Will see you next time. Now we got to read some show blurbs show blurbs show show by show Blair Character Creation Cast is hosted by the one shot Podcast Network. If you enjoyed our show, visit one shot where you'll find other great shows like design doc


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Unknown Speaker  1:05:36  

Hello, everybody.


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Chris Foster  1:05:46  

didn't watching a meal eat this entire time and I'm starving.


Ryan Boelter  1:05:53  

It is very taunting.


Unknown Speaker  1:05:58  

Crunch crunch crunch. customer. June


Chris Foster  1:06:04  

Why would you do this to me?


Amelia Antrim  1:06:10  

The worst part is that he doesn't care. I send them to him and he's like, yep. Like, he doesn't get as annoyed at anything as I do.


Chris Foster  1:06:20  

He's that he's a broken man.


Amelia Antrim  1:06:24  

And if I tell him that you said that he'll be like, yeah, yeah.


Ryan Boelter  1:06:31  

Awesome. All right. All right. Well, I am Nelson. So let's see what we can do. I believe enough, we can do it.


Amelia Antrim  1:06:44  

One, part three. Okay. Part Two, three. Everybody get your drinks and water and then we'll get started here. I couple more pieces of popcorn.


Chris Foster  1:07:00  

Drink more water.


Chris Foster  1:07:03  

The vicious cycle?


Amelia Antrim  1:07:08  

I know. I did it to myself. And to both of you. Yep. Good. Yeah.


Chris Foster  1:07:23  

Everybody's favorite part. Mm hmm.


Amelia Antrim  1:07:27  

Hold on, let me flip through my bucket.


Ryan Boelter  1:07:32  

Names first, what is this concept? I finally figured out what smh means. Oh, like two months ago. I was like everybody keeps saying smh and I'm like, What is what? I mean, I kind of get it in context, but I don't know what it stands for. Yeah, I finally looked it up.


Chris Foster  1:07:55  

For those of you at home, it's shaking my head.


Ryan Boelter  1:07:57  

It's not sharing your horse.


Unknown Speaker  1:08:01  

So much hate sharing my horse All right.


Chris Foster  1:08:12  

sad man haggling


Ryan Boelter  1:08:17  

sorry my hamster


Amelia Antrim  1:08:21  

and that's not more hummus


Ryan Boelter  1:08:24  

and that's called a callback


Unknown Speaker  1:08:30  

callbacks Okay.


Ryan Boelter  1:08:35  

Oh, it's warm in here.


Unknown Speaker  1:08:38  

It was good. Oh yeah


Ryan Boelter  1:08:41  

we need a theme song.


Unknown Speaker  1:08:43  

Huh? No.


Amelia Antrim  1:08:45  

We'll have to see we can commission somebody for ghosts theme song.


Ryan Boelter  1:08:51  

Go shades


Unknown Speaker  1:08:52  

to go to go.


Unknown Speaker  1:08:55  

Ghost ghost ghost


Amelia Antrim  1:08:58  

ghost shakes go Okay, go go


Unknown Speaker  1:09:03  

bad okay.


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