Character Creation Cast

Series 20.2 - Heart with Grant Howitt and Chris Taylor [Designers] (Creation Continued)

Episode Summary

This is the second episode of series 20, and we welcome back Grant Howitt and Chris Taylor, designers of the game we are creating characters for today, Heart! Things get a little weird, but not too horrible, as we figure out what sort of people live for adventure down in this mysterious and horrifying setting.

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This is the second episode of series 20, and we welcome back Grant Howitt and Chris Taylor, designers of the game we are creating characters for today, Heart! Things get a little weird, but not too horrible, as we figure out what sort of people live for adventure down in this mysterious and horrifying setting.

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Ryan Boelter  0:01  

Welcome to the second episode of series 20. Everyone. We're really happy to have you here with us today as we get into some really great character creation in the game we're covering this month hurt by Grant and Chris Taylor. But before we get into the episode, some announcements as usual. First up, our review drive is at the halfway point right now, that means you have two more weeks to get your reviews to Apple podcasts. In order to be eligible to win our contest. We are giving away a free t shirt, or a free three day badge to Academy Khan one lucky winner. If we hit 50 reviews in the apple podcast store by Monday, September 23, we will commission a new t shirt design for our go Shanks to go characters from the last series. And that shirt will be selectable as the free t shirt for the winner if they choose the shirt option. Now, I know iTunes and Apple make it really difficult to leave reviews for some individuals. But it really does help us a lot and it means the world to us. Every five star review moves us up in the rankings and helps new people find the podcast. Right now as of this recording, we are sitting at 43 five star reviews across all countries in iTunes. And that's pretty great. But that just means we only need seven more reviews seven in order to hit that 50 mark. So definitely consider helping us out and entering for a cool prize. Also, if we happen to get to 75 reviews by September 23 then we'll be sweetening the pot for the winner. But we'll announce those details once we get past 50 speaking of reviews, it's just me here today so we'll be holding off reading next review until Amelia and I can boasted together to record the next call open. If you would like your review read before our episodes all you need to do is leave us one we would absolutely love to hear from you. But enough of that for now. With all of that out of the way. Let's get on with the show. Enjoy.


Ryan Boelter  2:49  

Previously on Character Creation Cast grant and Chris from Rowan broken record walked us through our various Character options after telling us a bit about the game. We are picking up right where we left off with class and Colleen selection enjoy.


Grant Howitt  3:07  

So those are the classes I already have the classes are calling speaking to you.


Ryan Boelter  3:11  

I was thinking about doing the Enlightenment calling for myself right


Chris Taylor  3:16  

excellent excellent calling I'm big fan of that one.


Grant Howitt  3:19  

I'd like to play a heretic i think i


Grant Howitt  3:26  

think i think solace


Ryan Boelter  3:27  

or Miko heretic adventure. Like Like, like like a pilot enough I'm going to live a life worthy of the goddess with kissing.


Chris Taylor  3:35  

Always kissing Yeah.


Ryan Boelter  3:39  

But like but I'm going to kick a heart split beast through a stained glass window and really not examine the terrible things like doing or why I'm doing it I never write home to my family that sort of thing.


Ryan Boelter  3:53  

Between the junk page and the which


Chris Taylor  3:55  

so the the big difference there is that the the junk mail is kind of is an addict. Right? They always looking for that next hit. The witches are formed into kind of not all of them timidly but more of an ability. Because they're so important down here because they're so tied to the land. They they go all the way from these wild witches who like start growing antlers and running on all fours and like experiencing the hardest wilderness all the way up to essentially appearing like royalty. And like passing orders and things down down a chain that doesn't really exist. Yeah.


Grant Howitt  4:33  

So you know,


Chris Taylor  4:34  

yeah, like they're more than will fade.


Grant Howitt  4:37  

But again, made out of teeth.


Chris Taylor  4:38  

Yeah. Where's the drunk majors more rehab?


Grant Howitt  4:41  

I'll be a trophy.


Amelia Antrim  4:43  

Okay, so what do you picking the witch? Yeah,


Ryan Boelter  4:46  

that's what you get. You get to pick your weird alternate form that happens whenever something goes definitely wrong. I like that.


Chris Taylor  4:52  

It's always good. What about you, Amelia?


Amelia Antrim  4:54  

Um, I? I think I want to do the junk page if Ryan is not quite


Ryan Boelter  5:00  

nice. Excellent. I was hoping somebody would take it.


Chris Taylor  5:03  

It's always good to do a young age.


Amelia Antrim  5:05  

Well, you took the witch so what's left for me right? That's what I'm supposed to pick.


Amelia Antrim  5:14  

See, I gotta pick a calling now. I did heart song last time.


Chris Taylor  5:18  

Also is really fun.


Ryan Boelter  5:20  

I was gonna say you could have recreated your spire characters the heretic.


Amelia Antrim  5:25  

Know what I did last time was that my character was I did the heretic but they were like, too far out for my previous already far out Character.


Grant Howitt  5:40  

Made you live in a train?


Grant Howitt  5:43  

Remember, didn't let you in


Amelia Antrim  5:45  

there. Like here maybe a little too extreme for your Jehovah's Witness death cult.


Chris Taylor  5:51  

That's better actually.


Chris Taylor  5:54  

Well, I think I'm going to go with a forced pound.


Grant Howitt  5:57  



Chris Taylor  5:58  

I really liked the concept. I really like the idea that you've been forced down into this hellhole against your will for whatever reason. And but then you found this kind of weird position of power. And maybe you're kind of leaning into that a bit too much and seeing what the the kind of moral problems are there.


Amelia Antrim  6:17  

I think then I'm going to go with penitent when we haven't done yet


Chris Taylor  6:21  

the turning of your crimes


Amelia Antrim  6:23  

Joe may be


Chris Taylor  6:26  

aware of your crimes your seat Yeah,


Amelia Antrim  6:30  

yeah. I mean, whether you're good good at that or not, we'll see.


Chris Taylor  6:34  

Yes, that is crucial.


Ryan Boelter  6:36  

I'm going hot song heretic think so I haven't been a proper weird Oh, yeah. Now the three choices I've got so we were one of the choices you can make as you're making your character is you got to pick equipment, what Couldn't you got? And I think we really knocked out of the park with the heritage so I want all of them say for example, the junk page gets a pistol that's too powerful for them to used properly awesome narcotics. And the heritage gets either a double barrel shotgun a something called a relic bludgeon. We didn't define what it was. It sounds pretty cool. Or a or a bit easier. brazier birding spire bike you can hit people with


Chris Taylor  7:16  

and they're all pretty fun. They all need our


Ryan Boelter  7:19  

co worker which one I need a good brother Brother legit. It sounds pretty cool because I can I can mock stress and then I get better at using it.


Chris Taylor  7:26  

That's one of the things we tried to put in a lot of cases where it's like, well, if you if you do this stupid thing. You'll get better for a bit.


Ryan Boelter  7:33  

Yeah, you know, I'm gonna go for a relic of legend. I'm gonna


Amelia Antrim  7:36  

do this just like a big stone tablet. The smack people


Grant Howitt  7:39  



Chris Taylor  7:42  

Charlton Heston.


Amelia Antrim  7:43  

1010 commandments.


Ryan Boelter  7:47  

Yeah. Yeah. So I was thinking it was like, it was like it was part of a column or support from some stairs. But I've really liked the idea of light of it being part of part of a fresco are all part of a building, which I which I've tied on to the end of a club, but I'm driving around it is far too heavy. It's just a tombstone. Basically a tombstone, but it's like a smallest tombstone sort of thing, which I'm smacking people about with.


Amelia Antrim  8:14  

I do like that you have to choose between a pistol or narcotics because I mean, I feel like having both maybe wouldn't be


Chris Taylor  8:20  

was hoping that you can get both but you go back and forth.


Ryan Boelter  8:25  

This is what this is what you got in your pockets as the as the scene opens.


Chris Taylor  8:29  

Yeah, so the key the key to making characters essentially what down the list, writing down your skills, your domains, all the stuff you get for free. And then if you look at the equipment, it will normally say pick one leg, as we've seen, there's the old fashioned pistol, cortex, and then sometimes you get something for free. So you note down which ones of those you're after. And then the difficult bit. Now we've split the the the abilities of the class into minor, major, and Zenith. Zenith abilities are game Ender's. Like it's a button you can press that will essentially when you the game, however, it's going to kill your character, or take them out of the campaign. That's that's the final part of their story arc is activating one of these abilities. Like if you've ever read unknown armies, which has a big influence on the game, this this is a the biggest charge you can get from that that changes the world. So when I character creation, you get one major, and three minor abilities, minor abilities of anything from like different skills, you can use different domains, you can use, maybe the ability to see ghosts, why not? And major is a huge defining part of your character. And all the major abilities have at least three miners attached to them. So you take a major, you can then take any of the number of the miners underneath that you want that will do different things modify the way the major works. Yeah. And that once you've done that, you're dumb.


Chris Taylor  10:04  

Song of mine,


Amelia Antrim  10:06  

I love the abilities in this game, though, except that they're really hard to pick from. I know we talked about that last time that you were like, that's, that's the point is this. Yeah, this was


Ryan Boelter  10:17  

one of the founding goals of our business is that we write games where you want everything, please. It's like It's like walking to pick and mix.


Chris Taylor  10:24  

Well we have we have a piece of paper with like, company, motto goals on it. One of the big ones for us, it's always been a driving force. It's called no dead levels. Because it comes from 3.5 where like, when you hit like level five or whatever, you get nothing. You get some hit points in third and third edition,


Ryan Boelter  10:43  

about maybe like just save tix up by one, one of the one of what are your Wilson because I was doing boring.


Amelia Antrim  10:49  

It's so unsatisfying. It's not


Chris Taylor  10:51  

exciting. Like if you live in the future, you're not looking forward to level five, or whatever it is, I don't know exactly what the levels are.


Chris Taylor  10:58  

But if you make it so that every time you do anything, you're going to get rewarded for it good or bad.


Chris Taylor  11:04  

Just shallow prizes. As long as I just push the story forward. Why not?


Ryan Boelter  11:08  

There is there is I've ever I was playing Call of Duty I was Call of Duty Modern Warfare, three oppressive and many, many years ago. And we were testing the multiplayer. And I was playing myself playing. I shot this guy, and he died. And the game basically exploded. There was fireworks on screen it was I was so excited from all that noise and feedback. Yeah, you shot the guy Well done, have this celebration. And like I was being manipulated. It's a Skinner box, you know, in some ways, but that's definitely like we was we're dealing we're not dealing with like, we don't have full control over the narrative of this. So nor are we professionals, most people at telling stories who are playing role playing games. So you need to stop messing about you need to like to be quite blunt about what you want people to do. And so and so, you know, as Chris was saying, basically whenever you do anything and hard, something interesting happens your character.


Chris Taylor  12:07  

And that can be awful, but it


Ryan Boelter  12:10  

didn't say good. Interesting. So I have I've been through I've picked out my powers. So I have so my my abilities heart song is caught in the blood. So I get plus one echo protection. And I also want the situation my text dress to a non echo resistance I can put in echo. She means I can, that will my body will change more. More weird things will happen to me things from my dreams will happen in the real world. I'll take more stress, that's fine by me. Sounds like fun. I've gone for my core abilities. a heretic is a lady's many eyes, which means that when people remove fortune stress if they're in my party, they roll the dice and pick the higher so we're going to be lucky because what because our mission has been blessed by the Goddess. My two minor abilities I've gone for ironically vicious. You've done things in the name of your faith that would make a lesser person lose their mind gain the kill skill and writer placidity. scholars who search to the lady often find her immense majesty hard to bear. You've been versed in the sacred chemicals that allow you to whether her revelations plus to mind. And the primary one that the major built I've got is communion. So when I when I give my soul over to the moon beneath, I roll some dice and our success everyone could hear me takes the Moxie for stress the mind is enemies and friends. And I've upgraded that with one minor, which is I shall have no fear. And when I use it, I basically get armor, I take less, I take less damage to blood. So my main plan for this is to run around start muttering, start speaking in tongues and then murder people with a


Grant Howitt  13:49  

very, very difficult character to play.


Amelia Antrim  13:52  

How many minor beats? Are we supposed to pick? Two?


Ryan Boelter  13:56  

Yeah, you pick two. So you can pick, pick minor or major, whatever, whatever beats you'd like. The harder to get. So it's advised that you take some miners early, but it's actually what you do at the start of each session. You can you pick two beats. And then you can you don't get to pick up any new beats until I start the next session. So there's a limit to how much you advance per possession. Interesting, okay.


Grant Howitt  14:21  

So it's one major into minor.


Ryan Boelter  14:25  

Three minor, one major advance, okay.


Ryan Boelter  14:28  

So many things to choose, you can draw. So you you might as can come from the from the first half of the Character, which is like the skills advances or you can upgrade a major you've got with a minor so they can sort of plug into those and give you more different different ways of using them or that made them more powerful, etc.


Ryan Boelter  14:46  

face. That sounds horrible. What rejoining of sundered flesh, is one of the few heels in the game. Okay, I can heal you but it's gonna suck.


Ryan Boelter  14:57  

Your arms gonna scream? You mean I'm gonna scream? Because they know.


Chris Taylor  15:01  

How are you with lots of males on your arm now? Uh huh. Cuz that's happened.


Ryan Boelter  15:06  

Hey, you like having one mouth? Or you're gonna love your


Amelia Antrim  15:11  

two is better, right? Is it more efficient? Or is always better? It's more efficient


Chris Taylor  15:14  

to move the food to your to your face mouth anymore?


Grant Howitt  15:17  



Chris Taylor  15:19  

Does it for you


Ryan Boelter  15:21  

to grow on both on your arm? does it create a separate digestive tract within your body? I'm gonna Yeah. Awesome. That's beautiful.


Chris Taylor  15:31  

Yeah, that's, that's just hard science. You cannot argue with that. Yeah, I think I've done mine. Tell us all about yours. Okay, so I took the forced calling, which means I don't want I don't want to be down here. But I don't have any choice. So I'm thinking a prisoner of some description. This is kind of their sentence was to be sent down here like either they've just been dumbed down here, just to forgive be forgotten about, or that sort of, Okay, well, not half the time of your sentence. If you do this for us.


Amelia Antrim  16:01  

Oh, this is spiders Australia.


Chris Taylor  16:03  

Yeah, but


Chris Taylor  16:06  

so the so I've taken a minor beat, which is do something dangerous to conceal your past, because I kind of liked the idea of a character that's actually not not repentant, but doesn't want people knowing how bad a person they've been. But I've also taken a major beat, which is learn or possess something that lessons that control your masters have over you. Because I want to see what happens with that relationship to somebody that's outside of of this nightmare. And because I've got force that gives me a power cord collateral, which is once possession, when I would mark stress, allocate it to the nearest friendly target instead. So it doesn't hit


Amelia Antrim  16:44  

me it'll hit one of you. Doesn't sound friendly for a long,


Chris Taylor  16:48  

No, definitely not.


Chris Taylor  16:52  

And then with the hand, I've chosen a standard issue low ground rifle, which is a fairly expensive to fire rifle, but it's one of the features long range working rifles in the heart, so they've got a good bit of range. Being a hound just naturally gives me the ability to wave my badge around. Which means that I am I'm essentially like a really crappy version of Judge Dredd in that what I say is law, even if I've just made that up, so some places will hate me. Some places will love me because I'm a bastion of law and order. But most people just do what I say but grudgingly


Chris Taylor  17:30  

that I've taken the major reality condemnation. You


Chris Taylor  17:35  

You have the authority to declare someone is a wanted criminal. once per session, when you find evidence of someone or something's crimes, you can condemn them when you are another hand tracks down a condemned target roll with mastery. So I'm very good at tracking people who are criminals. And I've taken two of the upgrades from condemnation, which are judge and jury. The judge upgrade gives me the discern skill, making me even better at tracking that person. Jury means I no longer need any evidence at all to condemn a target. So I can just make it up. And the minor I've taken is liquid courage, which means that I've developed a bit of a drinking habit. But because of that, I'm slightly more sane, because I'm just in my own head rather than dealing with whatever is trying to infect my head. And that is that is my hand.


Grant Howitt  18:23  

Is he is he right, Winston?


Chris Taylor  18:25  

I don't I'm not thinking Ray Winston, I'm thinking slightly scrappier.


Grant Howitt  18:28  

Like I barely a Murphy.


Chris Taylor  18:30  

Yeah, you'll go that route. Like Yeah, but definitely not talented. Killian Murphy era. Before that, we're talking about Batman era. Okay.


Ryan Boelter  18:40  

Yeah, you know, what I thought


Ryan Boelter  18:43  

was pretty good. So from him.


Chris Taylor  18:45  

Yeah. But I like the idea that like he's been sent down here for a purpose. Like what I purposes? Yeah, I don't know. But one of the first things he end up doing is trying to assimilate himself into it into a haven into a safe place. Where he, as he always does, comes up cross with the law and ended up getting himself a ham badge. How


Grant Howitt  19:04  

does how does this How does masters communicate with another?


Chris Taylor  19:07  

So I'm seeing a kind of like,


Chris Taylor  19:10  

heart version of a messenger pigeon. Like I like the idea that he gets like threatening notes attached to animals. Like


Chris Taylor  19:18  

it's not like it's like the whole thing written on it, but like, Yeah,


Chris Taylor  19:22  

boy, but like, like, like, like a raven just lands next to him. And he's like, really?


Ryan Boelter  19:28  

Like, a raven was like seven wretches up a pigeons leg with a message over


Chris Taylor  19:35  

eaten the important.


Amelia Antrim  19:38  

But at least it left the note.


Chris Taylor  19:39  

Yeah. Good Raven.


Amelia Antrim  19:42  

Ryan, have you made your choices? Or do you want me to go, um, I'm still figuring out what they all mean. But you can go for now. Okay.


Amelia Antrim  19:51  

So I picked the scene, I gotta keep scrolling back up. And then I keep forgetting more page. If you can go ahead and like have the lookouts. I don't scroll. That'd be great. Um, so I picked the penitent calling. And for the minor beats I picked, deny yourself an opportunity and interact with someone who hates you. Because I really wanted that. And this


Ryan Boelter  20:23  

is Sunday, but quite, quite heavily. Okay, this is something quite low, but with Chris's character and the fact that both your but if you're wondering, it seemed to include MBC in some way. I can see this focusing quite heavily around trying to keep a place safe.


Chris Taylor  20:37  

But also like, I mean, don't get my character isn't actually a hound as it were. Well,


Grant Howitt  20:42  

yes. True.


Amelia Antrim  20:44  

I mean, you are now


Chris Taylor  20:45  

Yeah, exactly.


Amelia Antrim  20:46  

But like how that works.


Chris Taylor  20:47  

Yes. But didn't go in for the perhaps the like the I'm here for the Justice and the right of this like, yeah, I'm the police.


Ryan Boelter  20:54  

Yeah. And what I like I'm quite I quite like the idea that he doesn't know what the police do down here. Yeah. And so people be like, well, you have to do this. You're a police officer.


Grant Howitt  21:04  

Yes. Yes, I do.  


Chris Taylor  21:07  

So I think I think that works really well with Amelia is interacting with an NPC or hates you for what you've done.


Chris Taylor  21:14  

Thank you immediately gives you some backstory.


Amelia Antrim  21:16  

Yeah, absolutely.


Grant Howitt  21:17  

A punishment drunk rage.


Amelia Antrim  21:20  

And then for my equipment, I picked narcotics. Because that sounded fun. I just like having pockets full of things. The core ability is you crave the touch of what others call madness. The glimpse of Hold on, I can't read this from my microphone. The glimpses of truth that Ravage your frail, mortal mind give you unimaginable power. When your mind stresses for hire you roll with mastery when casting spells from this class.


Chris Taylor  21:49  

That's so good. So the moment you get the better you are going mad?


Amelia Antrim  21:53  

Yep, it's beautiful. And then for minor abilities, I can read my writing. I picked wretched and glorious your body is a prison and when it blurs or breaks you feel closer to your patrons, you get in the curse domain and you cast a spell was in the cursed area. You roll with mastery. And then I picked mark of hunger you can taste the power slumbering the city beneath and you want it more than anything you gain the Delve skill


Chris Taylor  22:22  

and corporate venture type with a telescope.


Grant Howitt  22:25  

What was your what you pennants engine for?


Grant Howitt  22:30  

You? Did you upset?


Amelia Antrim  22:32  

Who did I upset? That's an excellent question will come back. I'll have to think about it. I feel like we haven't defined a whole lot of our world yet. So


Chris Taylor  22:43  

what was the major you picked?


Amelia Antrim  22:45  

I picked the drown queens curse. Nice. The Queen Is Dead Long live the queen. You can interact with ghosts and spectral creatures as though they were physically present. In addition, you learn the following spell role plus district and a call to find the greatest source of death residence nearby.


Ryan Boelter  23:04  

Excellent. That kind of goes well with some kind of pick for my character.


Amelia Antrim  23:08  

Oh, yes. Tell us about yours.


Ryan Boelter  23:10  

Okay, so I had to go back and pick a minor my minor beats because I forgot about that. Okay, let's see here. So my character is the witch with the Enlightenment calling. And let's see she has. So for enlightenment once per session, they can do some cool stuff. But for the beats that I have is gain favor with a faction that can help you learn more about your goal and gain access to knowledge that someone tried to conceal. I thought I thought those would be kind of interesting. And then for my skills I got meant discerning compel started with the cursed domain, because that's fun. And then for my equipment, I picked the Herald staff, because that just sounded cool to walk around with that. And I don't know what the sacred anthem may


Chris Taylor  24:12  

anathema is a traditional witches dagger.


Ryan Boelter  24:15  

Okay, that makes sense. I saw cruel to on there. And I was like, I don't want to crew weapon.


Amelia Antrim  24:21  



Grant Howitt  24:23  

Oh Ryan,


Chris Taylor  24:24  

that's defensive. It's got it's got the blocking abilities on it. So it makes you a little bit more defensive rather than antagonistic.


Ryan Boelter  24:32  

Yeah, that's kind of what I was picturing for this character. I'm


Amelia Antrim  24:36  

also just like witches who beat people over the heads with their sticks, right? Like, it's a good trope.


Ryan Boelter  24:41  

Yeah. So core core things that the which has is crucible, you bring the energy of the heart inside yourself and transmute it into Crimson power. I love that description. So I can basically cast spells right? Using blood power, you can come


Ryan Boelter  25:02  



Unknown Speaker  25:03  

Yes, it means in your own body.


Chris Taylor  25:05  

Yeah, you you run this sort of tightrope between either just getting rid of a load of the problems that you're you're running into, or getting more stressed bond by it, and the more powerful so it's this kind of oscillating up down power.


Ryan Boelter  25:23  

Cool. And I also get true form. Yep. Your skin skitters with barely contain power of the heart blood within you waiting to remake you as a flickering, hungry ZO trip horror. When you suffer a major followed. The stress pushes you into your true form. That's remarkable.


Chris Taylor  25:43  

Yeah, so which is have this, like if you've ever seen the horror film, Mama. That's a lot lot of the inspiration for this. You're this bizarre like ring style? Awful nightmare. hora is your true form of fun, and you're normally like, 99% of the time you have a glamour up that makes you look normal. Yep. And you interact. But when something pushes you to breaking point, you can't keep the glamour up anymore. That's amazing. So so you just it just fractures and suddenly you become this awful like bent backwards thing that's talking out of 13 miles and singing the song means the universe. But you also do it intentionally. Oh, wow. So you can just go Yeah, you know what, I really need that extra bit of scary.


Grant Howitt  26:27  

And you can turn it off intentional.


Chris Taylor  26:29  

You can't turn it off intentionally. or unintentionally.


Ryan Boelter  26:31  

Yeah, so it's a at the end of the current situation, you revert to your right form.


Chris Taylor  26:37  

Yeah, we may


Ryan Boelter  26:39  

apply implies that this doesn't have to be humanoid either.


Ryan Boelter  26:44  



Grant Howitt  26:46  

Also, in terms of ancestry, what kind of people are you because I'm going to play drew as well. Okay,


Chris Taylor  26:54  

I was thinking also try Yeah,


Grant Howitt  26:56  

very good.


Ryan Boelter  26:59  

Okay, so my abilities that I chose. So the major ability I chose was beach ton. OK, so the same finger that pulses through you through the veins of the beasts of this place pulses through yours. So I can speak to animals beasts and other creatures that I connect that normally you can't communicate with. And once procession I can declare I find a useful creature who might be able to help us out? So I thought that was cool.


Amelia Antrim  27:27  

I love that even in this game. I can talk to this week for us good.


Grant Howitt  27:32  

Like an animal friend. Yeah.


Chris Taylor  27:34  

This point right? We're halfway to Snow White is blood which


Ryan Boelter  27:37  

so combine that pretty solid with I've got of noble blood for one of my minor abilities. So I inherited the disease from a well regarded bloodline. You are strange and powerful and authoritative, compel, because that and some other stuff. And I also have the site, your eyes are red, black with barely contained power, gain the discern skill. And if you concentrate and stand still, you can see ghosts, specters and under unseen creatures.


Chris Taylor  28:10  

This is definitely a very closely campaign like,


Ryan Boelter  28:12  

Yeah, and I really like the combination of being able to see the unseen creatures and then communicate with them with Beeston. And then I also enhanced beasts ton with the minor ability companion. So you would form a special bond with a distinct small creature feeding their blood and warping his brain into a sort of similar terms of your own. So yeah, that functions as a band, but it doesn't have to have a heart


Ryan Boelter  28:44  

to explain what that means. Yeah, you can, you can put, you can put stress on your familia, rather than take it yourself. So it's basically an additional free resistance slot, which was you can put things into and you're all separately for the familiar and if something goes wrong with melody gets hurt or gets lost or needs something. But you could effectively offload magical power onto your your an abusive relationship with your cat.


Ryan Boelter  29:10  

Well, I wouldn't say it's a cat. But


Grant Howitt  29:13  

I don't know what it is either. three dogs. Yeah. a nun


Grant Howitt  29:18  

with the head of a three headed ghost dog. Just a bunch of it's actually


Amelia Antrim  29:21  

three dogs stacked on top of each other wearing a trench coat. Whoa.


Ryan Boelter  29:24  

So it looks like one varietal dog


Chris Taylor  29:29  

wearing a trench coat.


Ryan Boelter  29:31  

And they're technically all connected.


Amelia Antrim  29:36  

It's like a human centipede of dog.


Ryan Boelter  29:38  

Only only through the paws.


Chris Taylor  29:41  

But they come back.


Ryan Boelter  29:44  

I picked up my beats. I didn't since it was earlier. One is take mine at echo four. I'm sorry, it's going to go wrong with my body. And to establish a bond with a heart split beast on tier two or deeper, so I can feel some connection between our characters there. Cuz I want to find a deer and I want to be convinced that it's my goddess reincarnated. There you go. I know. I want to ride it.


Amelia Antrim  30:08  

That's the most important part.


Ryan Boelter  30:10  

Well, I will die like that. Yeah, Chris made me take take monster riding rules out of the game. Which I'm which which I'm proud of you for


Chris Taylor  30:19  

Thank you.


Ryan Boelter  30:20  

That's one of the many reasons why you're here. I've written up rules for the dragon slayer class. The dragon slayer stuff. Classic, Misty night. And Chris just like, No, no, you know. There's no way you can keep toting if they're going to write a book


Chris Taylor  30:35  

just destroys everything.


Grant Howitt  30:38  

But other everything we've lacked will try it on the night back and you'll be fine.


Amelia Antrim  30:43  

Yes nights that right other nights


Chris Taylor  30:45  

until they go electric and then you have a problem. Oh, no.


Ryan Boelter  30:49  

Well, technically the one in the air is not grounded. That's science.


Chris Taylor  30:56  

Yeah, the science and we don't have we don't truck with that run these problems.


Ryan Boelter  31:01  

Very much. We're very much in the rhyme and rhyme and reason.


Chris Taylor  31:05  

Yeah, I mean, you can learn things for literally years. Yeah. Or you could just make some stuff up and it be fun. It's fun.


Amelia Antrim  31:11  

Yeah, I'm definitely much more into that second one.


Chris Taylor  31:15  

There's definitely a place for both. It's


Amelia Antrim  31:18  

not well, okay. Uh, I'm going to be sorry at myself for saying this. But we do have to name


Ryan Boelter  31:24  

Okay, that's football. So I would recommend eat this search archaic French names. Yeah.


Ryan Boelter  31:32  

I was just gonna go or slow for me.


Grant Howitt  31:36  

Cool. What What was that in French?


Ryan Boelter  31:38  

Oh, that's a good question. lace. No, I don't know.


Ryan Boelter  31:43  

I mean, there's a is there is winter and also it's also spelt Hiva, which is a cool spire reference.


Ryan Boelter  31:51  

Nish. How do you pronounce a niche niche nation?


Ryan Boelter  31:56  

There's not it's not quite there as a bush. Yeah, that's what go for. I'm a lady now. Fine. Blush flirt, meaning white flour. And whoever's jamming this game. I would like a motif of white flowers, please.


Chris Taylor  32:12  

No, come on Monday. Cool. Okay, fine.


Chris Taylor  32:15  

Nice. Chris. Welcome. below. The system was for.


Chris Taylor  32:21  

I hate names. I hate them.


Amelia Antrim  32:24  

Yeah, I have a baby name book here that I use and all the pages are falling out. But this one like breaks them down into groups. So I can just go to the page for French names. Oh, that's really


Chris Taylor  32:39  



Ryan Boelter  32:40  

I just linked everyone to French names.


Chris Taylor  32:42  

If that's something which could be you absolute star. That's me. Done Sharon's


Ryan Boelter  32:48  

dozer Florio


Chris Taylor  32:52  



Amelia Antrim  32:54  

You know what I'm going to say? That while I was studying political science, I just really remember hating Sharlto Gaul for some reason. So that's what we're gonna name my Character show. So,


Grant Howitt  33:06  

Charles, the little Charlie, the


Chris Taylor  33:12  



Ryan Boelter  33:14  

sleep. sleet in French is named fondue.


Amelia Antrim  33:20  

That's the wall. And that's, I mean, if nature's snow, it's just melted snow then right, I


Ryan Boelter  33:25  

guess. Well, partially,


Amelia Antrim  33:27  

because like fondue is like melted cheese. So I assume that it's just melted.


Ryan Boelter  33:31  

That would make sense. Naish fondue Blizzard in French it's Blizzard


Chris Taylor  33:36  

name. That is a good name.


Amelia Antrim  33:38  

Why are you looking up snow words?


Ryan Boelter  33:40  

Cuz of snow.


Amelia Antrim  33:42  

Oh, okay. Yeah, that's fine. I follow


Ryan Boelter  33:45  

we need to get you a coat with seven dwarfs.


Amelia Antrim  33:49  

Please do that. I


Chris Taylor  33:50  

have two names. One that is actually


Amelia Antrim  33:52  

Oh, you think you're better than us?


Chris Taylor  34:00  

I got I've got a character name. And the name is on the badge I found a great


Amelia Antrim  34:04  

Oh, good call.


Chris Taylor  34:06  

Rebecca arrowed is the character name. And the badge says afraid now that you got


Chris Taylor  34:16  

last names too. I just pick first names and last names. Oh,


Ryan Boelter  34:22  

yeah. person out there.


Amelia Antrim  34:23  

Ryan did you decide yet? I'm


Ryan Boelter  34:27  

kinda Why am I having somebody? Like Like, this whole French things thrown me off.


Chris Taylor  34:32  

You don't have to do in French


Ryan Boelter  34:33  

just fine, Jeff. Yeah, you can just you can just be cold snow. That's fine.


Ryan Boelter  34:36  

Okay, I'll just be smoked lunch and


Amelia Antrim  34:38  

I was the evicted. That's what I named my paradise last time.


Ryan Boelter  34:43  

It's pretty strong. Snow Blanche.


Ryan Boelter  34:45  

I'm gonna swap My name out cuz I got blocks in mind as well. When the good one we can both you


Ryan Boelter  34:50  

know, like a confusing, but my last name,


Grant Howitt  34:54  

just call me See ya. Okay, right. You are there. I'll stick with us. That would be your true self great. Luna sec priest.


Chris Taylor  35:03  

As you were born to be


Ryan Boelter  35:04  

Yes, I was using Google to translate directly from English to French. Very nice, even has like little buttons where you can record to record what you're saying. And it detects the language. And then you press the button and it'll, it'll speak it back to you.


Chris Taylor  35:22  

Yeah, we used to be used to the translation all the fancy features you're talking about. But the basic version of that, and we use a lot because a lot of the drown culture cultural names are taken from Haitian Creole, which is a very hard language to get your head round if you don't speak it naturally. So we translated a lot of things over there and then kind of fantasy the names up a little bit, right.


Ryan Boelter  35:45  

So like, Nicola lumber, and let me set like a long great linear other names did like the dark side of the moon for the drought, and they literally mean shadow and light in Haitian Creole.


Ryan Boelter  35:56  



Amelia Antrim  35:57  

Why Haitian Creole,


Grant Howitt  35:58  

because it's, it's a language of the oppressed.


Ryan Boelter  36:02  

The French, the French rocked up and took over it. It he I don't know. I don't know what the correct teams and hating nation Yes. So they said we want we want to give it some residents of a culture who have been under the thumb of another one for a while.


Chris Taylor  36:18  

Cool, and it works quite nicely because the kind of like the old high French work really well as airfare words as that kind of like elven sounding lyrical.


Ryan Boelter  36:30  

We then did give them haikus surnames, yes. makes them seem a bit Japanese. But how


Chris Taylor  36:35  

lovely night listeners.


Ryan Boelter  36:38  

There's one of my favorite things about playing an alpha character is one the fashion into the name.


Amelia Antrim  36:44  

But fashion is definitely number. Oh my god. Yeah. That was the first section that I flipped to in my strata book came off the question.


Ryan Boelter  36:50  

Well, I mean, I wrote it after I was on the podcast last time.


Ryan Boelter  36:55  

It's pretty neat. You should see. So we've got we got through the sketches for the DVD theorist yesterday and this is the only iconic alpha character we have. And they are dressed beautifully. So like so this swag Alicia's all


Chris Taylor  37:10  

just like flowing veil. That's kind of like like an a purist beekeepers thing, but the bees on the inside.


Amelia Antrim  37:17  

Oh, I love it.


Chris Taylor  37:20  

It's gorgeous.


Grant Howitt  37:22  

Yeah. Felix,


Chris Taylor  37:24  

Felix, meow is our artist and he looks me Oh, Felix is knocking it out of the park. He's good. One of the things we really like doing is we like having an artist to kind of completely do one book. So it's a unified vision. They we give them really minimal input, like less than a paragraph of direction. And so you talk about feel rather young and say go nuts, drawers drawers, what you think they should look like. And like Adrian stone with spire nailed it, like a lot of the lot of the pitches. The discussions we gave Adrian for the pictures were a sentence. And it's the same effect helix, just absolutely destroying it with a beautiful art. You can see through the latest document. That's awesome.


Amelia Antrim  38:05  

Yeah, I love that about commissioning art is just like sending an idea and being like it like roughly kind of this and then getting something back. That's like that's even better than what I imagined.


Ryan Boelter  38:14  

You can draw. I can't if I could draw, I wouldn't be describing this to you. So I don't know what to say.


Amelia Antrim  38:18  

I mean, last time I commissioned art, I did send like a little sad post it note sketch that was like, maybe like, this


Ryan Boelter  38:28  

is my last tattoo. I said, Okay.


Grant Howitt  38:32  

I do a terrible version.


Amelia Antrim  38:34  

Yeah, mine is that well, because mine's handwriting. But I brought in a bunch of post it notes and was like, here, do something with the


Chris Taylor  38:41  

post it notes on yourself. That's weird.


Amelia Antrim  38:43  

Yeah. Yeah, they were like we don't understand. All right, I think that we made characters and we have definitely.


Ryan Boelter  38:53  

I'm very excited for my not horrible person in this horrible world. Well, just you know.


Chris Taylor  39:00  

Now, that's one of the things I quite like about this is it's just the difficult part is choosing something. Yeah. Rather than like, oh, does this interact well with this or divert the prerequisite, I need to get this feat chain or whatever. It's just, which of these cool things do I pick out? Now? I can get them all. I mean, just longer campaign goes on. Eventually, you'll get them all.


Ryan Boelter  39:21  

Making the Character, you know, dying, dying, get a new one.


Ryan Boelter  39:24  

Try everything out. It's great. Well, I thank you so much for joining us for our heart Character creation episodes. Grant, do you want to remind people where they can find you online?


Ryan Boelter  39:35  

Yes, you can find me on Twitter at GS house. That's GSHOWITT. And you can see all the things I'm up to there. Or you can go to row and rockin Dec Chris, what's that? What's the URL shortener we got for that?


Chris Taylor  39:49  

Bitly slash RRD. games?


Ryan Boelter  39:52  

Yes. Bitly slash RRD games, you can see everything that Chris and I have ever written basically, that we thought was good enough to release.


Chris Taylor  39:59  

Just like a third of the stuff we've written.


Chris Taylor  40:03  

A lot there.


Amelia Antrim  40:06  

And what about you, Chris? Where can people find you


Chris Taylor  40:08  

on Twitter? I'm at the Madigan two D's one G and but honestly follow grand


Ryan Boelter  40:17  

tweet stuff. Yeah.


Chris Taylor  40:19  

Twitter is is more active than mine. But yeah, like most of the stuff I do is on the website and in online communities on the road were conducted Discord. Yeah.


Chris Taylor  40:29  

That's, that's where I hold court.


Amelia Antrim  40:31  

Do you want to tell people about the Kickstarter for this game?


Chris Taylor  40:34  

But like to me,


Amelia Antrim  40:36  

we? Absolutely. I'm pretty sure that's half of why you're here. But also, because we haven't mentioned it at all.


Chris Taylor  40:43  

So we're doing Kickstarter for heart.


Grant Howitt  40:45  

This game, the one you're listening to?


Chris Taylor  40:46  

Yeah. It's very different to the play test version. If you listen to that. We've incorporated a lot of feedback. Yeah. A lot of people talked about how was too deadly and were cowards or whatever.


Chris Taylor  41:02  



Grant Howitt  41:02  

we've used some rules. I


Chris Taylor  41:05  

know we've,


Chris Taylor  41:07  

we've been combing through feedback, and we've incorporated a lot


Grant Howitt  41:10  

now. We really have


Chris Taylor  41:11  

there's like, nine classes latencies, eight classes, a whole load of extra advances you can go through and loads of details on this really messed up world.


Ryan Boelter  41:24  

Yeah, like we were quite vague about it in the in the play test. And we've played where we've attempted to describe as much of it as we can, while still giving you license to build your own version of it. Like, like


Chris Taylor  41:35  

I said earlier, it's that first third event, you think of everything, and then you take it where you want.


Ryan Boelter  41:41  

So like the heart has seasons? Yeah, sorry, pulses, they're cold, and you roll to see what pulses and like, rather than like warm or cold, it's got those seasons or ghosts or suffocation. So that's fun.


Chris Taylor  41:56  

But essentially, it's we're doing a Kickstarter for the core rulebook, and assorted extras, but the core rulebook will teach you everything you need to play the game. Make characters as we've just done with lots more choices than you've just had access to. How to go on a journey through the heart how to map it, like physically map it, as well as narratively map it and create the most awful, nightmarish dungeon crawling you've ever done.


Grant Howitt  42:25  

That's also a solid best care


Chris Taylor  42:27  

for the solid best era. Yes. With some of the saddest monsters you've ever found in the role playing game?


Chris Taylor  42:33  



Amelia Antrim  42:35  

I'm so like, some


Chris Taylor  42:36  

of them. Some of them are just general like, oh, oh, no, I can't kill that. Old poor little thing. Oh, it's eating my face.


Ryan Boelter  42:44  

I what we want to get somewhere between hate and pity. Yeah, yeah. For every monster we think. I think I've hit that three times. I think I've heard that.


Chris Taylor  42:51  

Yeah, we've done quite well on that one.


Ryan Boelter  42:54  

So you can go to if you search Kickstarter heart, RPG or if you go to go to my Twitter, or Chris's Twitter, as we said before, they'll be a pin tweet will be shouting about all the time. And you can you can see what sort of stretch goals we've got. Take a look at the the art which would be so much wasn't in the protest. And also they'll be a quick start. I believe it will be for backers. But once you've backed it, you'll have access to a quick start. So that will have premium characters, it will have a tightened up system it will it will give you a adventure you can play through yourself, but written in the style of our that the way we run. So again, first third, when you go through from there, and it gives you everything you need to get going right away. It's free if you do that.


Chris Taylor  43:39  

So please do


Chris Taylor  43:41  

that buys food for me


Ryan Boelter  43:45  

to spend that money on food and roofs. Yeah.


Amelia Antrim  43:48  

And that's September 17. Yes. Awesome. And I'm sure we'll tweet about it and I will tweet about it. So excited. Thank you. Well, thank you both for joining us. This was a lot of


Chris Taylor  43:59  

fun really was not making cash.


Ryan Boelter  44:04  

And thanks to everybody for listening and please join us on the next episode for our discussion block.


Ryan Boelter  44:20  

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Amelia Antrim  46:06  

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Amelia Antrim  46:09  

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